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5nl fr overpair facing turn checkraise - Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:21 AM
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Villain stats 13/10 aggro 2.7 cbet flop 69%, turn 67%, river 80% (900 hands). Had so far seemed to be a fairly abc tag type 5nl reg.

Limper was a big fish, so I flat called pre in an attenmpt to keep him in the pot. Flop call seemed standard. Would a raise be worth considering here sometimes?

When checked to on turn I expected to be mostly up against overcards or a small pair. My bet was a little on the high side I think. Looking back, 1/2 pot seems enough. The checkraise was a suprise, and I couldn't imagine what his range was to make this play. What is he doing it with and why checkraise? I think I would be betting out with all my value range here in his place. Is it so strong that I should fold even an overpair?

Afterwards I formed a theory that it was a pretty clever way of playing a nut type hand like AA or TT. If I check back he can still hope for 2 streets of value from mediocre hands. If I am strong this may be his best chance of getting stacks in by the river. Is this realistic?


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Wed Apr 16, 2014, 04:24 PM
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At 5NL I would just be playing this hand pretty straightforwardly.

QQ is a strong enough hand to 3bet the isolation bet from villain 5. We're not in EP so this doesnt have to look insanely strong. If villain 4 is a fish, at 5NL there is a very decent chance he will be coming along anyway for the price we give him and villain 5 might fold speculative hands in his range like suited broadways.

He can have overpairs of course and 9x, TT.

He seems pretty certain of his hand, or is going for an elaborate (Or spewy) bluff, which I am not sure most 5NL players are capable of (Maybe the spew part).

If we call, and the river is a blank, its a really difficult call to make IMO. Can he take this line with a worse hand? I think 22-88 are out. Leaving mostly strong draws if he can play them like this and value hands. The only hands that think they are betting for value against us but are actually behind are JJ and TPTK/TPTK type hands.

So, to sum it up, I think I have both folded and called in this situation and I think I have been beaten more times than I have been ahead. So I think I fold. Maybe that is horrible though.
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2014, 06:18 PM
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Thanks for the commentary. 3 betting pre does look a better option in retrospect than it did at the time, I agree.

Although the checkraise is an unusual line for villain to take, it is as you say highly likely to be a strong value hand (almost all of which would be ahead) or a strong draw. looking at it now, QsJs would make some sense. In the event I did fold, so can't reveal what he had in this instance.
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2014, 08:30 PM
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I agree with the bhoy. It's a very weird line for villain to take, but I'd just bet-fold the turn. I also think 3-betting pre is best. While it's nice to keep a fish in the pot, QQ is much more vulnerable 3-way than heads up.

P.S. wouldn't make any sense. You have the in your hand.


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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 05:14 AM
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I had the Qs? What? Oh. Well spotted Arty, not sure how I confused myself over that.
Thanks for the thoughts, good point about the weakness of QQ multiway.
 

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