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10nl zoom 6max, snap 5bet shove, gross!! Call or fold? - Fri May 09, 2014, 03:54 PM
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Paddy Gar's Avatar
Since: Apr 2010
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button is a 1 tabler, I've already seen him squeeze in a very similar spot and fold to a 4bet.

Plan pre flop is to 4bet for value against the button and call a shove, folding to a 5 bet from initial opener.

I have no info on the big blind, I'm relatively new to these stakes so that's a common theme in my hands posted. He SNAP shoved on me, what do you guys interpret by that?

Call or fold?

Also is my sizing too small for the 4bet?

 
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Fri May 09, 2014, 04:11 PM
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Sizing seems meh. I wouldn't mind making it a little larger maybe to $2.00.

Cold 5bet... I don't know. I don't think calling is bad and folding isn't bad either. I guess read-less I'm folding. This looks really strong considering the action is R / CC/ R/ R and now they shove.
 
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Fri May 09, 2014, 04:48 PM
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It looks ridiculously strong dirt for sure. Would villain not tank a bit with aces or kings though? Working on a sizing, would he ship it?

I think this is a fold versus unknown also, i mean the worst hand he'll do this with is AK right?
 
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Sat May 10, 2014, 04:53 AM
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I like your initial plan and your reasoning here, after the BB shoves i would fold here. If he is not spazzing out he has QQ+ or AK almost always. I would not read to much in his timing here.

I think you sizing is allright, 4 bets dont need to be as big as 3 bets relativ to the potsize since of the reduced stack to pot ratio and therefore reduced implieds odds of the villain, but given that you are oop I would not mind 2 bucks either.
 
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Sat May 10, 2014, 06:43 AM
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Hey Paddy

I think if you're plan is to get it in vs BTN, I would prefer a bigger 3bet size because it would make it easier for them to 4bet all in. Though I think in this particular situation the BTN will give us some credit for a hand since it's been raised from MP and not just limped (well min-raised, I can see why you suspect a squeeze from the BTN) but still in BTN's eyes our line should look strong since I suppose we are not taking too many 3bet bluffs in this spot. So yea, I think 2-2.1$ should be better. Point is, if my plan is to 4bet/gii then I wanna size it in a way that villain won't get the correct option to call IP. As played, this is an easy fold for me. The action facing the BB should dictate a strong range.
 

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