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Can I call this shove? - Sun May 11, 2014, 06:15 PM
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It's Hotter $0.55 Turbo.

I think it's easy call if I am last to act. Can I call this shove with two limpers one with big stack who might not fold and one with baby stack who might limp-fold but not sure. You can never be sure about these limpers, they do limp fold with 10BB stack or they might limp call with 50BB stack (with there pocket pair or A8s A9s AT).

What an easy call but an awkward spot. Can I still jam this?



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Sun May 11, 2014, 07:49 PM
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Hi adikumar2010!

With KQs, I get 2 limps and a button shove for just over 10BB. With 3 opps behind me, I need to fold to the shove.

Even if I was just up against the 10BB player (16% range per tracker), while it is a slight +EV play to call just them (due to the limps/blinds/antes), their range IS ahead of me, so while it's +EV, I'll lose over 50% of the time... which would make calling just this player a very marginal call.

With 3 opps left to act, this becomes and easy fold, as it will become a -EV situation in a multi-way pot, as I will be way behind the 3rd player's range and could easily be totally dominated.

This is a very marginal play against one player (not an easy call due to them being a tight player), but is an easy fold with three others left to act. KQ is a hand that is good to shove with, but not a hand that I want to be calling shoves with, as it's too easily behind (any pair or A is ahead).

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Sun May 11, 2014, 08:24 PM
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I thought it's an easy call heads-up with so much dead money of limper's in the pot plus even if I am flipping it's too much money to miss at the table.

But you are right few times I will be behind when he has AK AQ AA there if he happens to have AJ- or any pair JJ- , I am not in worst shape plus the money is too much to not take the risk in a turbo fast game. Around 4-5 hands beats me, but the remaining hands like pair JJ- & AJ- at best will have 55-45 equity against my KQs. I might not be super ahead of his shoving range but I think I will not do super bad vs his shoving range like 3 hands only totally crush me (AA, AK, AQ)

I thought we should be flipping happily in the tournaments as it is unavoidable spot and you can't win a tournament if you pass all the flip opportunities esp. if flip is for 20BB or less.

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Sun May 11, 2014, 08:31 PM
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The problem is that KQ is only flipping against lower pairs (flips are 2 overs vs a pair.. a 60-40 is not a flip), while it's behind all aces, even A2.

While I'd be happy to flip, there are too many times with KQ, where I'm not flipping. 16% range only has 6 smaller pairs in their range. Yes, I dominate some holdings in this range, others dominate me and there are a number of 60-40's that I'm behind.

If anyone else stays in the hand behind me.. I'm nowhere near a flip, I'm worse than a 2-1 dog.

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