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Shove or fold big-slick ? - Mon Jun 02, 2014, 06:01 PM
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Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,094
It's MTOPS Main Event $15 with multiple Day 1's , 10k starting stack , 5 mins blind level

We started at 10/20 with 10k stack, it's 500BB turbo game

Why do I think I should fold this hand coz flatting and making a top pair will either be super-ahead on the flop or it will either be crushed

This raise looks like ++ &

So if flop is or and he has or . I don't think he is calling more then one street no matter how big he is.

But if he happens to have or and the flop is same as above then I am stacking off

I am not sure if I should fold but I think I can't shove for sure But I can tell you one more thing that atleast 2 out of 3 will call his 3-bet as I am watching them from last 30 mins . How much they like to call 3-bets

You can see from the stats which two are likely to flat this huge of a 3-bet.

What do you say fold, call or shove ?

PS: I apologize for making 2.5x and not 3x at this blind level .

Full Tilt Poker Game #34288004113: MTOPS Main Event (Day 1b) (266270395), Table 3 - NL Hold'em - 50/100 Ante 10 - 03:05:24 IST - 2014/06/03 [17:35:24 ET - 2014/06/02]
Seat 1: dussssz (16,095)
Seat 2: HhCMotU23 (8,905)
Seat 3: adikumar2010 (7,965)
Seat 4: uaredeadlol (12,261)
Seat 5: Kargul1988 (9,123)
Seat 6: Lucky_Cheetah (9,660)
Seat 7: Royal_Rob_87 (14,955)
Seat 8: pendall (9,579)
Seat 9: Sghango (6,801)
dussssz antes 10
HhCMotU23 antes 10
adikumar2010 antes 10
uaredeadlol antes 10
Kargul1988 antes 10
Lucky_Cheetah antes 10
Royal_Rob_87 antes 10
pendall antes 10
Sghango antes 10
Sghango posts the small blind of 50
dussssz posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to adikumar2010 :
HhCMotU23 folds
adikumar2010 raises to 250
uaredeadlol folds
Kargul1988 folds
Lucky_Cheetah calls 250
Royal_Rob_87 calls 250
pendall folds
Sghango calls 200
dussssz raises to 1,500
adikumar2010
Lucky_Cheetah: Action Pending
Royal_Rob_87: Action Pending
Sghango: Action Pending

STATS :


Last edited by adikumar2010; Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 06:15 PM..
 
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Tue Jun 03, 2014, 04:18 PM
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Since: Jan 2012
Posts: 574
Hi adi

I'd fold. I think villain will have JJ+AK+ and almost always and our equity sucks against that range. Stacking off 80 big blinds preflop with AK isn't generally a good idea and in this particular spot I think it would be disastrous. We don't have enough history on villain to determine whether or not he's capable of ever 3betting light in this spot.

I don't calling either, the pot will be bloated and it gives one of the stacks behind us a chance to reraise all in.

Another reason as to why villain is very rarely 3betting less than JJ+AK+ is because of the fish that called your raise. It's unlikely that they will fold to the 3bet so if the 3better has any common sense he should know this, so he ought to have a hand that he's prepared to do battle with. I.e... the nizzles.

Cheers, Chris.
 
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Tue Jun 03, 2014, 05:02 PM
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Since: Mar 2011
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I am afraid chew you are wrong about his range , anyways I did fold . Now let me tell you what happened afterwards and you try guess his hand. According to me I think if he is not a , then he should have or or pre-flop. But if he is one of the then even you can't guess his hand

But the speed at which 'dussssz' folded (he didn't even take 2 seconds to tank ) I guess he must have for sure. Let's see what you think chew

PS: You will be surprise as to which two called this huge 3-bet, I guess you got it wrong looking at the stats picture

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to adikumar2010 [ ]
HhCMotU23 folds
adikumar2010 raises to 250
uaredeadlol folds
Kargul1988 folds
Lucky_Cheetah calls 250
Royal_Rob_87 calls 250
pendall folds
Sghango calls 200
dussssz raises to 1,500
adikumar2010 folds
Lucky_Cheetah calls 1,250
Royal_Rob_87 folds
Sghango calls 1,250
*** FLOP *** [ ] (Total Pot: 5,090, 3 Players)
Sghango bets 2,545
dussssz SNAP folds
Lucky_Cheetah folds
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5,090 | Rake 0
Board: [ ]
Seat 1: dussssz (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: HhCMotU23 folded before the Flop
Seat 3: adikumar2010 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: uaredeadlol folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Kargul1988 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Lucky_Cheetah folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Royal_Rob_87 folded before the Flop
Seat 8: pendall (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Sghango (small blind) collected (5,090), mucked
 
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Wed Jun 04, 2014, 06:38 PM
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Since: Jan 2012
Posts: 574
AK would snap fold here... so I'm going with AK. 10 10/JJ might snap fold too.
 

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