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Super tough river call ! - Tue Jun 03, 2014, 05:31 PM
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It's MTOPS Main Event $15 with multiple Day 1's , 10k starting stack , 5 mins blind level

We started at 10/20 with 10k stack , it's 500BB turbo game

I have two questions
1) What should I do on river , I was going for thin value
2) What are the mistakes I made in this hand on every street I am sure JWK will disapprove of my bet sizings

PS: I think maybe I could have checked the flop and not donk , but it was multi-way so if the preflop raiser missed this flop he will 100% check and not c-bet with air into multiple opponents . So I didn't want to give free cards in that case like or would be bad turn card for me and I didn't want to lose 3 streets of value against

If this was a headsup pot I will check the flop coz the opponent will c-bet 75% for sure

I hope JWK understands my reasoning for donking against

Why do I think either he has flopped set which he was slowplaying or total air

Full Tilt Poker Game #34290881882: MTOPS Main Event (Day 1c) (266270419), Table 26 - NL Hold'em - 15/30 - 02:37:51 IST - 2014/06/04 [17:07:51 ET - 2014/06/03]
Seat 1: LarsLuzak (10,140)
Seat 2: jjbinzer (9,620)
Seat 3: WICKY69 (9,850)
Seat 4: pyxlius (9,970)
Seat 5: thefattestgirls (9,730)
Seat 6: Logic Pro User (10,130)
Seat 7: spale999 (10,690)
Seat 8: adikumar2010 (9,970)
Seat 9: portotl83 (9,900)
adikumar2010 posts the small blind of 15
portotl83 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to adikumar2010 [ ]
LarsLuzak raises to 90
jjbinzer calls 90
WICKY69 calls 90
pyxlius folds
thefattestgirls folds
Logic Pro User folds
spale999 folds
adikumar2010 calls 75
portotl83 calls 60
*** FLOP *** [ ] (Total Pot: 450, 5 Players)
adikumar2010 bets 337
portotl83 folds
LarsLuzak folds
jjbinzer calls 337
WICKY69 folds
*** TURN *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: 1,124, 2 Players)
adikumar2010 bets 618
jjbinzer calls 618
*** RIVER *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: 2,360, 2 Players)
adikumar2010 bets 944
jjbinzer raises to 8,575, and is all in
adikumar2010

STATS :
 
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Wed Jun 04, 2014, 06:31 PM
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Hi Adi

I'd fold preflop. If it were suited I'd call but being out of position in a multiwaypot with KJo sucks. I'd also check flop, I wouldn't want to try and build the pot with this hand as it's not very strong and we won't often get action from worse hands.

If we check flop and the original raiser doesn't cbet there's a good chance that one of the 2 players behind him will bet and if not then so what, we may let other hands catch up but I'd rather take that risk over donking flop. The board is wayyyy dry and when you donk out like this it looks like you have something... it looks like you have Jx, it looks like you have Jx that you're trying to protect and in a $15 buy in mtt there's probably a couple good players in the pot with you so they're likely to catch on to that.and mostly continue when they have you beat.

I'd fold river. Heck knows what villain his but this would be an epic hero call. He could have 33... and maybe a smartly played set if he's any good. I think checking river is best because when we bet all 3 streets it really looks like we have a strong hand which gives villain the opportunity to perhaps fold a weaker Jx or middle pair that we get value from (it's unlikely he has a middle pair because of the way you played the hand but nevermind). I'd opt to check/call or check/fold to a river bet and probably leaning towards a check/call if the bet size is reasonable.

Cheers, Chris.
 
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Wed Jun 04, 2014, 07:11 PM
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Okay we will play the hand as you said.

So you mean to say I should check flop and if it goes check through which is most likely. Then I can 1/2 pot bet on the turn and obviously 'jjbinzer' will call. Right?

Then what will you do on the river? (Me and jjbinzer are HU only)
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014, 06:07 PM
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Squeeze or fold pre, really don't like calling but if we do I probably check/call flop, check/call turn, check/call river assuming its HU, think hes somewhat bluff heavy if he bombs this river when we take that line.
 
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Fri Jun 06, 2014, 11:59 AM
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Thanks Chewme1, your advise is helping my game can't deny that. Could you plz answer my last doubt above ?

 
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Fri Jun 06, 2014, 08:36 PM
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nice score adi . keep crushing hem
 
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Wed Jul 16, 2014, 05:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by adikumar2010 View Post
Okay we will play the hand as you said.

So you mean to say I should check flop and if it goes check through which is most likely. Then I can 1/2 pot bet on the turn and obviously 'jjbinzer' will call. Right?

Then what will you do on the river? (Me and jjbinzer are HU only)
Precisely this, and if does indeed get checked round then we will have the best hand almost always so we would be betting for value rather than protection/information. I think bet/folding river would be best here. I don't think villain has many hands in his range that he needs to bluff with. Most of his hands will have showdown value so for this reason I'd bet with the intention of folding to a raise.

Cheers, Chris.
 
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Wed Jul 16, 2014, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by adikumar2010 View Post
Thanks Chewme1, your advise is helping my game can't deny that. Could you plz answer my last doubt above ?

Well done mate, keep going.
 

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