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Call or raise turn ! - Sun Jun 08, 2014, 12:10 PM
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What should I do here Raise or call !!

It's 5mins turbo game with $1 bounty on each player . I turned straight and one player donks into me

PS: I punished the limpers preflop

Full Tilt Poker Game #34305090979: MTOPS Event #71 (266269161), Table 423 - NL Hold'em - 100/200 Ante 20 - 21:24:52 IST - 2014/06/08 [11:54:52 ET - 2014/06/08]
Seat 1: Zebrozaurus (12,844)
Seat 2: kalimov22 (8,297)
Seat 3: PedroHM89 (3,073)
Seat 4: Richyburner1986 (4,960)
Seat 5: jermeey (6,300)
Seat 6: glevi247 (4,260)
Seat 7: BombayBadBeat93 (5,316)
Seat 8: adikumar2010 (6,936)
Seat 9: Duivelvis (7,253)
Zebrozaurus antes 20
kalimov22 antes 20
PedroHM89 antes 20
Richyburner1986 antes 20
jermeey antes 20
glevi247 antes 20
BombayBadBeat93 antes 20
adikumar2010 antes 20
Duivelvis antes 20
Duivelvis posts the small blind of 100
Zebrozaurus posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to adikumar2010 [ ]
kalimov22 folds
PedroHM89 folds
Richyburner1986 folds
jermeey folds
glevi247 calls 200
BombayBadBeat93 calls 200
adikumar2010 raises to 800
Duivelvis folds
Zebrozaurus folds
glevi247 calls 600
BombayBadBeat93 calls 600
*** FLOP *** [ ] (Total Pot: 2,880, 3 Players)
glevi247 checks
BombayBadBeat93 checks
adikumar2010 checks
*** TURN *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: 2,880, 3 Players)
glevi247 checks
BombayBadBeat93 bets 1,095
adikumar2010
glevi247 Action Pending

STATS :
 
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Mon Jun 09, 2014, 04:31 PM
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Hi adikumar2010!

With A4 on the button and two looser limpers in front, I'm going to make a standard raise here, which at this blind level is to 2.5BB+1BB for each limper (900).

When the flop checks to me, without a made hand and especially without a heart, I'm going to check behind and see a free turn card.

The turn gives me a straight and now an opp leads into me for a small bet. Due to not having a heart redraw, I'm going to call the 1095 and re-evaluate on the river. If I had A4o with the A of hearts, then I'd raise. If the other opp that originally checked, now shoves, then I need to fold, as this is most likely a flush.

The bet here looks to me like it is most likely a pair or a big heart draw, so my plan on the river is to call or bet a non-heart river. If the river is a heart, I'll check behind if the opp checks and have to fold to a bet.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Mon Jun 09, 2014, 04:52 PM
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I raised for value and to protect my hand as one more will kill my hand. So even if I raise on turn loose will never fold there or flush draw and they will not fold hand like 4X which gives them OESD on turn. And maybe not even A2, 34, 45, 56, etc.

And Also if I play hand according to you and call his turn bet the pot will be 5070, so what will I do when he shoves his remaining 3401 into me on the river

Pot will be 8471 on river and I had to call 3401 which is 3.5:1 if I need to make the call.

Is there any way I can get-away from this

*** TURN *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: 2,880, 3 Players)
glevi247 checks
BombayBadBeat93 bets 1,095
adikumar2010 raises to 4,542
glevi247 folds
BombayBadBeat93 calls 3,401, and is all in
adikumar2010 shows [ ]
BombayBadBeat93 shows [ ]
Uncalled bet of 46 returned to adikumar2010
*** RIVER *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: 11,872, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
adikumar2010 shows a straight, Five high
BombayBadBeat93 shows a flush, Jack high
BombayBadBeat93 wins the pot (11,872) with a flush, Jack high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11,872 | Rake 0
Board: [ ]
Seat 1: Zebrozaurus (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: kalimov22 folded before the Flop
Seat 3: PedroHM89 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Richyburner1986 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: jermeey folded before the Flop
Seat 6: glevi247 folded on the Turn
Seat 7: BombayBadBeat93 showed [ ] and won (11,872) with a flush, Jack high
Seat 8: adikumar2010 (button) showed [ ] and lost with a straight, Five high
Seat 9: Duivelvis (small blind) folded before the Flop
 
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Mon Jun 09, 2014, 05:07 PM
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If the opp shoves the river, then I need to see if I have a note on the opp about playing suited cards... if so, then it's an easy fold. If not, then I'm still folding to a shove... unless the opp is known to shove rivers as a bluff (then I'll cringe and call).

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Mon Jun 09, 2014, 05:14 PM
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So can you plz explain why my reasoning to raise on the turn is wrong?

And if I play the hand on turn as advised by you, on river if he shoves then I am folding there everytime right?

PS: I didn't know much about him only 21 hands with insane 3-Betting %
 
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Mon Jun 09, 2014, 05:32 PM
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I don't want to raise the turn because there are a number of hands that I'm already behind and also a number of hands that can draw out on me.
I don't want to risk 2/3 of my stack and value-own myself.
If the opp has a single heart and I get it in on the flop, then they get the full 4% per out.. which will price them in due to being guaranteed to see both streets.

If I raise, I'll get called only by hands that are +EV calls for the opp... which means that by shoving, I expect to LOSE chips by doing so.

John (JWK24)

P.S. I can't raise to protect my hand.. because the opp doesn't have enough chips to do so.


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Mon Jun 09, 2014, 11:14 PM
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PS: I didn't know much about him only 21 hands with insane 3-Betting %
NOT insane 3b %, that's a common miss use of HUD stats. Sample size ftw. If he was 1/1 that would not make him an insane 3-bettor but would read 100% on the HUD. Over 21 total hands this 3B% is probably 2/7, maybe he had 2 big hands... or maybe he actually is a wild 3-bettor... there's no way to know yet unless you saw one of the two and it was a wild light 3b


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