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100NL, vs. Supernova 1 Million Lifetime VPP - Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:55 AM
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My defend is borderline... Hand played out kind of strange...

I think that OTF I could have done any of the following plays: BC, XR, XC.

Let me know how you'd play this hand vs. this "tough" looking opponent.

SUPERNOVA(1 MIL LIFETIME VPP)
43 hands: 26/26/2.0
ATS:47

 
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Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:15 PM
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Hand is a mess.
 
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Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:25 PM
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Hand is a mess.
So vs. this player type we should be just taking a standard line? Which would probably be XR the flop. And then XC or XF the turn depending on sizing?
 
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Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:46 PM
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I don't think the supernova status or 1M VPP'S is particularly relevant. His stats suggest that so far he seems fairly unremarkable.

This was a regular table, has he shown up with anything noteworthy at showdown?

EDIT: Just cleaning up spelling.

Last edited by bhoylegend; Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 01:12 PM..
 
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Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:05 PM
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I don't think the supernova status or 1M V'S is particularly relevant.

This was a regular table, has he shown up with anything noteworthy at showdown?
+1000

I'm pretty sure he took note on player fishing for straight.........LOL
 
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Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:24 PM
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So vs. this player type we should be just taking a standard line? Which would probably be XR the flop. And then XC or XF the turn depending on sizing?
No its a fold pre with no reads imo.
 
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Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bhoylegend View Post
This was a regular table, has he shown up with anything noteworthy at showdown?
Yes this was at regular tables, No I haven't seen this villain go to showdown until this hand. After this hand was done, I took a note on him.

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I'm pretty sure he took note on player fishing for straight.........LOL
I guess you don't see FD and gutter OTF? and OESD and FD OTT? Yes, he might have taken a note on me... That's great! Are we not trying to create an image vs. the regulars at this stake?

This is why I posted this hand. Obviously it was an unorthodox line. At least I'm getting you guys talking!
 
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Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:51 PM
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I guess you don't see FD and gutter OTF? and OESD and FD OTT? Yes, he might have taken a note on me... That's great! Are we not trying to create an image vs. the regulars at this stake?

This is why I posted this hand. Obviously it was an unorthodox line. At least I'm getting you guys talking!
Yes I did see, but having no notes on the player, missing the flop and then the turn, plus is normal bet sizing telling me he's got something. For me, I'm just saying I would of folded after the turn, I'm not the type to keep spewing all the way to the river just to see if I'm going to catch, more aggressive players will.

As for creating an image, any good player will adjust their notes as day go by. So the image you would give him today, might not stay as you play more hands against him.

Going back to the hand, knowing his cards, you were almost 50/50 pre, flop and turn. Assuming a 30% range, you were almost 40/60 pre, 55/45 flop and 40/60 on turn. So in all honesty, I probably would play the same as you if:
- had more info on the player
- my stack was more than 200% gain
- my BR would permit me to spew a little
Not saying that these are valid reasons, but sometimes, gambling does work (not often)

I guess it depends on your willingness to gamble
 
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Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:11 PM
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I think the defend is fine. It is hard for me to imagine it being bad.

I don't like the lead. If villain has a wide range I would let them bet their weakest hands, not guaranteed to raise them if we lead. I would rather keep his range wide with a check call.

As played I think we should shove the turn. There is a lot in the pot, we have a huge draw. I think he will always fold better air (important since we lose on check check river to it) and then he could even fold some value hands. You built a pot, you hit a great turn, but you will still have 8 high on the river if you don't improve and it looks like his range could still have some bet folds in it. Therefore I think shove is the play.
 

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