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NL25 4bet trouble - Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:18 AM
rudar47's Avatar
Since: Sep 2011
Posts: 73
PokerStars - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: $36.00 (VPIP: 15.05, PFR: 13.27, 3Bet Preflop: 3.98, Hands: 969)
Hero (CO): $25.72
BTN: $25.00 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)
SB: $25.85 (VPIP: 10.08, PFR: 7.36, 3Bet Preflop: 4.79, Hands: 373)
BB: $42.38 (VPIP: 68.42, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
UTG: $25.00 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)
UTG+1: $26.76 (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 13.68, 3Bet Preflop: 4.48, Hands: 190)
MP: $18.98 (VPIP: 7.43, PFR: 5.99, 3Bet Preflop: 1.49, Hands: 848)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 2:spade: A:spade:

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to $5.00, Hero calls $2.75

Flop: ($10.35, 2 players) 7:diamond: A:club: 5:heart:
MP+1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($10.35, 2 players) 3:diamond:
MP+1 bets $6.00, Hero calls $6.00

River: ($22.35, 2 players) 4:club:
MP+1 bets $16.00, Hero calls $14.72 and is all-in

OK pot odds give me a right to call his 4bet if we assume he would do that with TT+,AQs+,AQo+? On the flop I check because i don't want to get raised, but now question if we played as we played do we call the turn,if nothing else pot odds give us the right to call.....
River is clear as day
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:41 AM
bhoylegend's Avatar
Since: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,261
Fold to initial bet or fold to 4bet IMO.

Reverse implied odds if we hit our Ace a decent amount of the time and were unlikely to flop a *****d hand. I guess we lucked out unless he had a six but given he looks tight I find that unlikely if not impossible.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 11:45 AM
birdayy's Avatar
Since: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,179
In these positions I just like folding to the 4b.

If it was btn vs sb then it's different.

If you wanna start flatting in these spots you have to be really confident postflop and have decent reads.

Last edited by birdayy; Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 12:10 PM..
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:16 AM
TheLangolier's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 13,510
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Hi rudar,

I would just fold directly to the open raise personally... this guy is pretty tight and probably is not looser from the hijack. If you are going to play, flatting is probably superior to invite the loose splasher in the BB to come along and play the pot in position against both of them. Definitely fold to the 4-bet, your hand is crushed by his 4-betting value range and he probably doesn't even have a 4b bluff range.

Post flop is fine imo. I would call the turn, expecting to win if he checks to me on the river. And planning to give up if I don't improve and he moves me in. Obv we make the wheel so it's a snap call now.

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