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Did I get too greedy here? - Thu Jun 26, 2014, 06:16 PM
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Since: Jan 2013
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Just want peoples opinions on this, I have the hand history here, but basically, should I have just raised on the flop or turn even though I wouldn't have won much but I was hoping he'd hit a semi-okay card instead he had the nuts.

PokerStars Hand #118018761652: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05 USD) - 2014/06/26 17:14:35 ET
Table 'Vera III' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: morphine200m ($5 in chips)
Seat 3: psyBalalayka ($8.64 in chips)
Seat 4: redballtiger ($1.41 in chips)
Seat 5: ApaFlush ($5.65 in chips)
Seat 6: horsey123 ($8.66 in chips)
Seat 7: Doctoriou$ ($4.68 in chips)
Seat 8: CaH4esskO ($5.19 in chips)
Seat 9: Stefan060195 ($5.17 in chips)
ApaFlush: posts small blind $0.02
horsey123: posts big blind $0.05
TZSAR2010: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Stefan060195 [Kd 3d]
Doctoriou$: folds
CaH4esskO: folds
Stefan060195: calls $0.05
morphine200m: folds
psyBalalayka: folds
redballtiger: folds
ApaFlush: folds
horsey123: checks
*** FLOP *** [4d Qd 2d]
horsey123: checks
Stefan060195: checks
*** TURN *** [4d Qd 2d] [3h]
horsey123: checks
Stefan060195: checks
*** RIVER *** [4d Qd 2d 3h] [Jd]
horsey123: bets $0.10
Stefan060195: raises $0.35 to $0.45
horsey123: raises $1.10 to $1.55
Stefan060195: calls $1.10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
horsey123: shows [Ad 6s] (a flush, Ace high)
Stefan060195: mucks hand
horsey123 collected $3.09 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.22 | Rake $0.13
Board [4d Qd 2d 3h Jd]
Seat 2: morphine200m folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: psyBalalayka folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: redballtiger (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ApaFlush (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: horsey123 (big blind) showed [Ad 6s] and won ($3.09) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 7: Doctoriou$ folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: CaH4esskO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Stefan060195 mucked [Kd 3d]
 
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Thu Jun 26, 2014, 07:00 PM
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Since: Apr 2011
Posts: 115
Hey Stefan,

I would have bet the flop and the turn considering the fact that you don't have the nuts. With this way you make it expensive for the other player to chase his possible nutflush and you still might be called by someone who hit a pair. You are now basically giving him a free chance to hit his draws.

River is another diamond and villain decides to bet after he had checked two times. For me this is an indication that villain possible has the nutflush, because I don't think villain would make such a large bet (in relation to the pot) with worse. He is out of position, so I think he would have just checked with a J-high flush or worse to see how you would react.

After your re-raise, villain decided to push all-in. At this point you just have to fold. Villain would never shove here with a J-high flush or worse, because there are two higher flushes possible (from his point of view). So the only hand which makes sense to push with in this situation is the A-high flush.


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Thu Jun 26, 2014, 07:07 PM
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Since: Jan 2013
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See I've just been in so many positions where it seems like they would go in with the J high flush or something like that, looking back at it I have seen that I should've bet the flop & turn thanks!

It just seems annoying that if I did bet and everyone folded I would've won a small pot with what could've been a really good hand? You see what I mean?
 
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Thu Jun 26, 2014, 07:12 PM
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Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:24 AM
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Nothing we can do Stefan we just have to win small pots rather than trap your opponent and in turn your only trapping yourself
 
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Fri Jun 27, 2014, 09:41 AM
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It has happened AGAIN!! How am I playing these types of hands wrong, can someone just advise me what to do? Should I just go more aggressive on the flop?!

PokerStars Hand #118040109651: Hold'em No Limit ($0.08/$0.16 USD) - 2014/06/27 9:33:28 ET
Table 'Gormeisa' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: jagsman17 ($4.92 in chips)
Seat 2: ExziS ($9.47 in chips)
Seat 3: Stefan060195 ($13.78 in chips)
Seat 4: koren2013 ($10.04 in chips)
Seat 5: lukasek9 ($16.27 in chips)
Seat 6: 4ert_Ru ($16 in chips)
Seat 7: Mitkevich ($16.03 in chips)
Seat 8: vanec424 ($23.81 in chips)
Seat 9: 1988 Sawa ($16 in chips)
ExziS: posts small blind $0.08
Stefan060195: posts big blind $0.16
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Stefan060195 [Td 3d]
koren2013: calls $0.16
lukasek9: folds
4ert_Ru: folds
Mitkevich: folds
vanec424: calls $0.16
1988 Sawa: folds
jagsman17: calls $0.16
ExziS: calls $0.08
Stefan060195: checks
*** FLOP *** [3s 3h 9h]
ExziS: checks
Stefan060195: bets $0.16
koren2013: raises $0.16 to $0.32
vanec424: calls $0.32
jagsman17: calls $0.32
ExziS: folds
Stefan060195: raises $1.02 to $1.34
koren2013: folds
vanec424: calls $1.02
jagsman17: folds
*** TURN *** [3s 3h 9h] [8s]
Stefan060195: bets $1.96
vanec424: calls $1.96
*** RIVER *** [3s 3h 9h 8s] [7h]
Stefan060195: bets $3.84
vanec424: raises $5.60 to $9.44
Stefan060195: calls $5.60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
vanec424: shows [8h 5h] (a flush, Nine high)
Stefan060195: mucks hand
vanec424 collected $25.71 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $26.92 | Rake $1.21
Board [3s 3h 9h 8s 7h]
Seat 1: jagsman17 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: ExziS (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Stefan060195 (big blind) mucked [Td 3d]
Seat 4: koren2013 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: lukasek9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 4ert_Ru folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Mitkevich folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: vanec424 showed [8h 5h] and won ($25.71) with a flush, Nine high
Seat 9: 1988 Sawa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:47 AM
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Posts: 180
Hey Stefan,

One thing - jumping from 5NL to 16NL is a BIG jump !
Without going into the hand (you played both hands way to passive)
I can guess you are not very experienced with NL cash games - start studying - there are lots of PSO instructional movies out there. Look here : http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/art...-videos-xflixx (yes I am fan of Felix )
Then - start applying basics into 2NL (that is playing ABC poker)
Next tip for you - avoid tilting. If you do tilt, stop, go for a walk, but never, and I mean never, make the mistake of increasing stakes to cope with the losses. It will drive you insane.

Why ^^ all the above : you had the luck of striking flop gold, but you couldn't extract value from them.

Hope it helps,
Bogdan.
 
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Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:13 PM
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what makes u think trips are still good on the river? u get minraised and another player calls on the flop. gotta start thinking u might be beat.
 
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Fri Jun 27, 2014, 01:20 PM
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Hand 1 is a clear fold pre flop FWIW. Limping from MP in full ring is a losing play.

Both hands, you need to understand the concept of relative hand strength. Trips are strong on some boards more than others. Also, while I'm unable to see pot sizes in the hands. Your bets look small enough for people to call with draws.
 
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Understood - Sat Jun 28, 2014, 04:55 PM
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Yeah thats completely fair I agree looking back at things, but when I know or when I am ahead I dont want to raise and everyone fold and just pick up the blinds?

Earlier for example I won $0.05 on Aces so absolutely nothing which is annoying but I suppose should I just always play strong when Im ahead and not give people a chance to hit their cards?
 
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Tue Jul 01, 2014, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Stefan060195 View Post
Yeah thats completely fair I agree looking back at things, but when I know or when I am ahead I dont want to raise and everyone fold and just pick up the blinds?

Earlier for example I won $0.05 on Aces so absolutely nothing which is annoying but I suppose should I just always play strong when Im ahead and not give people a chance to hit their cards?
you're generally going to be playing your strong hands strong and your weak hands weak in micro stakes games but u just have to sort of feel everyone out and adjust your play. u have to balance betting too big with a big hand and scaring your opponent, and betting too small and potentially letting your opponent suck out on u. board texture is important in helping u do this. so is position and stack size. but maybe your biggest problem at this point is recognizing relative hand strength at each point in a hand. it's pretty pointless trying to determine the correct bet without knowing where u are in a hand incomparison to where ur opponent is. it's all about developing good fundamentals. u can't advance your game too far without having these. but in these games, there's only so far ur game could go--abc play is still your friend.
 
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Thu Jul 03, 2014, 06:21 PM
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So should I literally play thousands of hands on micro stakes and get used to playing the basics?
 
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Thu Jul 03, 2014, 06:25 PM
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with 4 players on a flop with a flush draw, any bet lower than a pot-sized bet can give the opps the right odds to call. Then, vs one opp on the turn, I need to bet 1/2 pot.

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Fri Jul 04, 2014, 10:03 AM
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Stefan the whole slow playing thing because you don't win a big pot betting with AA.........Well that's a form of tilt. Bigger picture thinking mate.

You should be happy to win a small pot. Most of our sessions are collecting small pots and minimising our exposure to situations like above where we are outdrawn. The idea that successful poker players are taking down massive pots with monster hands all the time is a myth. They do take down monster pots but they can be few and far between.

The success part comes from handling all the little pots in between and not allowing villains the correct odds to draw on us.
 

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