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NL25zoom QQ in 4bet pot - Sun Jul 06, 2014, 09:20 AM
fonsdewolf's Avatar
Since: Apr 2014
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This is the first time i post a hand, so if i make any mistakes, feel free to correct me.
villain has a 3bet of 9 over a big sample. his fold to 4bet is 63% I am not sure about my turn/ riverplay.

Sun Jul 06, 2014, 02:07 PM
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Look, here's what I would have done. I would have gotten stacked. I would have bet turn $6.00 and shoved river or XC OTR.

AS PLAYED: I think we can bet fold this river pretty easily. I don't think this villain is going to check back twice and then shove the river with a 10.
Sun Jul 06, 2014, 02:51 PM
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Hi fonsd,

Thanks for jumping in the HA forum!

You said you have a large sample, so the question I would look to answer here is, how big a fish (or non-fish) is the villain. If this opponent is a sane player, then we can expect to basically never be good here vs. his river shove. We have played our hand in a manner where our range is uncapped imo, meaning we can easily have the strongest hands (AA/AK), so for a sane villain to raise all in on the river he must be crazy strong himself + block these hands (I think AK/AQ largely, and even AQ should feel uncomfortable raising the river).

If the villain is a huge fish, then it's more conceivable we are good... a huge fish who 3b's this aggressively is probably 5b shoving AK pre, allowing us to discount some of those combos. He's probably overvaluing JJ or TT in this spot. And likewise will sometimes show up with something silly like 8d7d which he also overvalues on the river. This doesn't negate better hands, just makes it not near to impossible that we are winning.

In short, bet/fold the river here is a fine option imo unless the villain is a huge fish.

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Sun Jul 06, 2014, 03:46 PM
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Sun Jul 06, 2014, 03:50 PM
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The villain is a solid player so looking back at the hand i could fold with confidence, i actually called and when he showed quads i felt really stupid, thx for the comments.

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