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50NL ZOOM, AJo in 3B pot - Mon Jul 07, 2014, 12:12 PM
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Total 3B: 5.9 (51 samples)
MP: 0.0 (4)
CO: 0.0 (4)
BTN: 0.0 (15)
SB: 6.7 (15)
BB: 15.4 (13)

River decision...

 
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Mon Jul 07, 2014, 03:21 PM
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River decision...
Hi dirt eh,

Fold.

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Mon Jul 07, 2014, 03:31 PM
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Hahaha, alright. Not even close for you eh? I did end up folding but I wasn't sure.
 
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Mon Jul 07, 2014, 03:46 PM
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No, not really.

tbh I don't really like calling preflop in this spot when

1) the reraiser is tight
2) the sizing is large

When I think I have some exploitation going on I will call or 4b, but we don't have a large enough sample for that yet. Granted folding AJo here is tight and exploitable, but I just don't think we are getting exploited much in this spot... too often vs. a tight guy for a large sizing we are running it into QQ+/AK.

Flop and turn calls I like. Pretty easy fold to this river sizing imo. We are losing to value 3b's from AK/AQ, and light 3B's from A8, A7, A5. Weaker Ax hands tend to check/call the river in spots like this because they are concerned about their kicker, and their value is coming largely from busted draws and sticky pairs that won't call a big river bet anyway.

Sometimes obv we will be good here, but not enough in my experience when a tight guy has 3b pre, and 3 barreled post, finishing with a very big river sizing.


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Tue Jul 08, 2014, 11:54 AM
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Hey Dirt and Dave,

One thing that makes me curious is his sizing.
Flop bet is less than half pot (no A maybe and just JJ?/QQ/KK - as his tight maybe he is not 4b with A8, maybe). Turn bet is half pot on a relative blank. And the river is not a shove, it's a pot bet.
From his sizing I would guess that : flop is not sure, turn gains confidence, river is not certain but for KK, for eg, our line signals no A, no sets, until river, but he is not sure, maybe if we shove over he folds?!.

All in all his sizing might indicate reluctance to commitment.
Although, yes, river bets this large mean the nuts usually , AK maybe (AQ 4b in BB vs btn is hmm ..) - but still, then, his sizing on the flop and turn should've been a little higher to assure commitment on the river.

Am I off with this kind of thinking about sizing?

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Shoim (Bogdan)
 
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Tue Jul 08, 2014, 11:34 PM
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Hey Dirt and Dave,

One thing that makes me curious is his sizing.
Flop bet is less than half pot (no A maybe and just JJ?/QQ/KK - as his tight maybe he is not 4b with A8, maybe). Turn bet is half pot on a relative blank. And the river is not a shove, it's a pot bet.
From his sizing I would guess that : flop is not sure, turn gains confidence, river is not certain but for KK, for eg, our line signals no A, no sets, until river, but he is not sure, maybe if we shove over he folds?!.

All in all his sizing might indicate reluctance to commitment.
Although, yes, river bets this large mean the nuts usually , AK maybe (AQ 4b in BB vs btn is hmm ..) - but still, then, his sizing on the flop and turn should've been a little higher to assure commitment on the river.

Am I off with this kind of thinking about sizing?

Regards,
Shoim (Bogdan)
If he holds AK he crushes this flop, so the sizing doesn't strike me as a lack of confidence necessarily, at least in his hand strength, but in the case of AK it could be a lack of confidence in his ability to get action. By the river he would figure there's a reasonable chance we have the last ace if we're still in the hand and be going for the big value bet.


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Wed Jul 09, 2014, 01:20 AM
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Only read the first bit of the replies:

1) the reraiser is tight
2) the sizing is large


Though 18/17 is loose to me if I used a hud. AF 2.0 is not giving up, so ok with calling. Get a big message on the river.

All I see, is the next best Ace that beats me AQ. Then unwind no flush ridiculous run out 5 makes a straight. So 88 ATs+ to 3bet (77 to 3bet and continue aggressively what do I know).


Fold river bet.
 

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