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You make the call ! - Mon Jul 07, 2014, 03:53 PM
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It is $11 Phased tournament it's new to pokerstars with 2 Day's (Phase 1 = Day 1 and Phase 2 = Day 2). I am playing Phase 1 where I need to survive 15 levels and it has 10mins blind level. I am in level 5.

What should I take of his river check raise

PokerStars Hand #118459921885: Tournament #932436572, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (50/100) - 2014/07/07 23:41:49 IST [2014/07/07 14:11:49 ET]
Table '932436572 3' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: charlieg27 (3080 in chips)
Seat 2: 2NDclass (5000 in chips)
Seat 3: FouEnculePL (9580 in chips)
Seat 4: Banditerna1 (5066 in chips)
Seat 5: HEDOYMOK (3725 in chips)
Seat 6: vorobeyka7 (6011 in chips)
Seat 7: chrispyoddjo (5120 in chips)
Seat 8: banicek88 (4344 in chips)
Seat 9: adikumar2010 (6695 in chips)
charlieg27: posts small blind 50
2NDclass: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to adikumar2010 [ ]
FouEnculePL: folds
Banditerna1: folds
HEDOYMOK: folds
vorobeyka7: folds
chrispyoddjo: folds
banicek88: folds
adikumar2010: raises 150 to 250
charlieg27: folds
2NDclass: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [ ]
2NDclass: checks
adikumar2010: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
2NDclass: bets 300
adikumar2010: calls 300
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
2NDclass: checks
adikumar2010: bets 766
2NDclass: raises 1434 to 2200
adikumar2010:

STATS :
 
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Mon Jul 07, 2014, 06:02 PM
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Hi adikumar2010!

With AKs, I'm absolutely going to make a standard raise preflop.

The problems with the hand begin on the flop. I flop TPTK and due to the preflop raise, I absolutely need to make a 1/2 pot bet on the flop (I'd bet basically ATC that I raised with here when the opp checks).
I do not want to check and give the opp a free card and I don't want to check for another key reason.... I need to continue the story with my bets. By checking here, I now cannot represent an ace and I also cannot represent a pocket pair higher than an 7... because all of these hands should be betting the flop.

The turn should be a blank (minus A5 or 35s) and the opp now leads into me (should be a pair). By calling here, what am I trying to represent.. about all that makes sense is a diamond draw and if Ax is not in my range due to the flop check... what diamond draws would I raise with preflop (KQ or KJ maybe, but neither of these are the nuts).

The river pairs the 5 and the opp checks. Due to the way this hand played out, I'm checking behind here and going to showdown. Betting here is a bet that doesn't make sense. From my bets, I had a strong enough hand to raise with pre, then missed the flop without a pair, the repped diamonds on the turn by calling, they missed, so what could the river have helped, nothing other than quad 5's?!

Since the bet sequence in this hand makes no sense, if I'm the opp, I'd raise the river too as the only bet here that really makes sense is a busted diamond draw that is trying to steal the pot.

As played, I'm making a crying call on the river (his initial check says to me that he should have showdown value and probably has a pair) BUT the key is that I shouldn't be in this situation to begin with, as this is a great example of where fancy play syndrome ruins the hand for me by not betting the flop. If I bet the flop, I can represent an A or a pair.. by checking, the bet sequence with my hand makes no sense at all. When playing a hand, I always want every single one of my actions to tell a steady, consistent story, as this will give more options later in the hand as it progresses.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Mon Jul 07, 2014, 06:26 PM
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But why do I want to tell him I have ace, on that dry board what will he really call me with. Plus checking flop means I give him ticket to go bluffing me. Only thing I am scared of him hiting 2 outer on me if he happens to have any pocket pair. Plus his range is ultra wide as he defended BB so very likely he missed this board.

Dave said I can check on this board in a similar kind of hand.
 
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Mon Jul 07, 2014, 06:33 PM
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A bet here does not signify an ace... it can be a c-bet with any 2 cards that I wanted to raise preflop with... pair, broadways, Ax, suited connectors, anything.

The problem is that not betting the flop, then I cannot represent having an A the rest of the hand because the betting line would not make sense.

Checking Ax here is another good example of fancy play syndrome... I try to trap the opp and all that happens is that I trap myself.1

John (JWK24)

P.S. Plus, the opp's range is NOT ultra wide.. they have not played a single hand yet. Since the opp hasn't played a hand yet, I need to account for them being tight, not wide, as an opp playing ultra-wide would have already played hands.

P.S.S. Why would I think the opp would bluff.. they haven't played a hand, nor made a single bet yet.


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Mon Jul 07, 2014, 10:41 PM
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Here is what happened in the real hand, he got super lucky :

 
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Mon Jul 07, 2014, 11:38 PM
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It's not that the opp got lucky, they got priced in due to the check on the flop... the opp was allowed to get there due to the flop check, so it's your own fault that they won.

Opp having 5x there, especially 45 makes total sense. They flopped a gutter and were given a free card, which gave them more outs (added the 5's and 4's) and with that many outs, they're not folding on the turn.

The key is that I must bet the flop in this situation.

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