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Flatting a 3-bet with Pocket Kings - 6-Max Cash Game - Tue Jul 08, 2014, 12:05 PM
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Is it ok to flat KK here?

Villain is an unknown and im not sure i like 4 betting here because i would never do it as a bluff when he squeezes UTG who is a nit.

Then on the flop i wasn't sure if i should click it back and fold vs UTG/BU or if i should call and see what UTG/BU does.

 
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Wed Jul 09, 2014, 04:41 PM
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Well there will be some different opinions about this. I would say flatting is ok (if you put someone on an ace). If it comes, well you could make an easy fold. As played, well it's one of those hands you are way ahead or way behind. I personally don't think you played it bad as the hand played out, But there are a few different ways the KK could be played here.
 
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Wed Jul 09, 2014, 04:55 PM
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I would have thought that the small blind squeezing the UTG player [who is a nit and should be on a strong range utg] should signify some strength in which case you 4 betting him may have led to him 5 betting and fingers crossed getting it all in pre. In which case there is only 1 hand that is beating you and that occuring is a statistical nightmare. I would have liked more money in the pot pre 81% fav and to have isolated in position. Were you concerned that the nit or the SB had AA? Plus when you 4 bet you have the initiative in position when the nit folds. Was it your intentiion to keep the nit in? 4 ways to the flop is not ideal either. Just my opinion.
Im quite interested in your intention and thought process with what you wanted to acheive with the flat.

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Thu Jul 10, 2014, 03:11 AM
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I was hoping SB had QQ/AK and or some bluffs like AJs pre, im not saying he should have AJ but i do see it from time to time and i thought if i 4b QQ will fold and i would only be getting it in vs KK/AA.

SB was short though so i doubt he would fold QQ thinking about it but i thought i could see how to play this spot had he been 100bb deep and was a reg but i did not intend on getting a 3 or 4 way pot i would much prefer them to fold. On the flop i dont think SB would 3b JJ so im basically getting it in vs QQ/KK/AA and AJ if he did have that there but i doubt it.

I did think about min raising flop but at the time i didn't see the point because if UTG or BU raise that flop after a bet and my call i think im crushed anyway.

On the turn i just put UTG all in im not sure what he peeled the flop with other than something like AKcc i think TT is just a fold on the flop in his shoes but he might have peeled that as well and if does x/c flop with JJ 88 then so be it im getting stacked.
 
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Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:50 AM
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Pre flop Mike you don't need to worry about never having bluffs here, small blind is short stacked so confidently get it in and expect to see all sorts of stuff when called

Even if villain is a reg, something i've learned is that flatting just leads to awkward spots in these situations. This is because utg can flat literally their entire range profitably in this spot assuming sb and you are strong. Makes it easier for them to play post flop. Getting it in pre flop with kings is never a mistake, unless utg is a super rock, and sb is literally only 3betting them with aces/kings.


Post flop villain utg can have you beat with probably 12 combos (j8ss, jj, 88, 33), so calling the cbet and folding to utg shove seems ok. Depends on stats, but if utg is a reg it's highly unlikely they shove jx, or draws with position given such obvious strength.


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Fri Jul 11, 2014, 11:43 AM
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Here's the other thing with this hand Mike and I say this because I had a hand very similar to this yesterday. While there is some risk in flatting here, it does disguise your hand quite well.
 

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