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Pocket Jacks, Playing Scared - 5NL ZOOM 6-Max - Wed Jul 09, 2014, 05:47 PM
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Hi guys,

I am not gonna lie, the last downswing that I had has caused me to played scared.

Please could you analyse my hand below.

This is what I have been reduced to.

This happens a ton, especially when I continuation bet the flop.

I know I should have bet flop here, but then you get raised and I fold.




Cheers,

Matt
 
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Wed Jul 09, 2014, 06:53 PM
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Any stats on this Villain? I would cbet this board 100% and call when raised. Re-evaluate OTT.

As played... not good. If we're 3betting JJ just to fold when we get played back at, then why 3bet this hand in the first place?

Go down to 2nl and build your confidence back up.
 
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Thu Jul 10, 2014, 02:18 AM
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No stats on villain.

I 3bet because I believe it's the right thing to do (when I have no reads and I want to seize initiative); however, I get scared on the flop - keep believing that they have the goods. He probably has an overpair here.

Cheers dirt.
 
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Thu Jul 10, 2014, 03:15 AM
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Dirt dont you think it is a bit suspect for villain to show an over pair after checking the flop, if he did have over pairs we beat then why give our over card a free card and then raise the brick turn.
 
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Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:29 AM
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Mike,

I take it that is aimed at me, pullin

yeah this was "silly play". I got scared and played this badly.

Mike what would you do? Villain is an unknown.

Cheers,

Matt
 
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Thu Jul 10, 2014, 05:00 AM
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Pullin the 3 bet is too small. When out of position you want to lower the spr so you take away some of villains positional advantage post flop. I usually 3.5/4x depending on how wide villain will flat ip.

I think because you only 3x it here villains flatting range is pretty wide. Also because it's 5nl expect to see all pocket pairs, and lots of suited connectors in their range.

It's quite possible you're beat on the turn. But by not cbetting the flop you put yourself in a spot where you have no idea where you are at. If you cbet, and villain calls, you can expect to be ahead a lot of the time as most decent ax and pairs will peel a low paired board. Then if raised on the turn it's time to re evaluate, stats or any info on the villain would be extremely useful here. They're polarised then to having a handful of monster value combinations/ possibly some bluffs and slowplays (kk/aa).

The only reason to check this flop should be for deception, which you do not need at these limits. Just value bet in these spots until told otherwise

If this is happening a lot when you cbet flop and turn, you need to use your notes/ hud to determine what the correct play is. Board texture, do they play draws aggresively etc. Can they be raising for value with worse. If i call, what is my plan for x river if villain bets?


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Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:55 AM
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Cheers Paddy,

The majority of the time I don't have any reads on the villains that I encounter, because they are new to me. The only thing I can really go on is the stack sizes and bet sizing.

I usually aim my 3bet at around about that mark to make my resteal that little bit more profitable.

What are the standard 6max villain stat types that I should look out for? I know full ring well, but I don't really know 6max?

I will continue to post hands and hope that I improve.

guys, could you please check something for me...basically could you check you SB & BB resteals (3bets) and tell me if you are profitable?

Cheers,

Matt
 
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Thu Jul 10, 2014, 03:46 PM
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You may be risking less to win the same amount, but you also have less fold equity when you 3bet a smaller sizing, especially when villain is ip.

You always have some sort of info even in zoom. Check the lobby, if villain is 3/4 tabling they're almost certainly a reg.

6max tags are in the region of 20/17, nits are around 14/12, lags probably 25percent plus. I think you should look up some 6max guides and info and do some research because it sounds like you haven't done much study on it? Can't hurt, and you won't find all the answers you need on the forum unfortunately


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Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:04 PM
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I never thought of checking the lobby for the amount o tables villain is playing. I have always right clicked and find, and most of the time I can't find villain. Sh*t paddy that's awesome. How could I miss that.

Cheers,

Matt
 
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Fri Jul 11, 2014, 04:18 AM
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I really didn't realise about the lobby thingy. At the start of every session, I could go through that list and mark all the 4 tabling villains as regs who, until I have reads, know what they are doing. All the one tablers I can leave blank as these will be potentially fish, where bet, bet, bet, shove with TPTK on good boards could be good.

I haven't tried it yet (in work at the mo), but can you colour code villains by the lobby list? Like you said, I will then have some info on them. Like if I have marked them as a reg, then I might want to go for two streets of value with TPTK. If they are a one tabler, and they don't top up their stack, likely a fishy type player that could overvalue certain hands.

Cheers,

Matt
 
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Fri Jul 11, 2014, 05:16 PM
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No you can't mark them from the lobby pullin.

Something you can also do is click 'observe game' and see some big hands from the zoom pool. you can mark regs from there and see how they played a hand in a certain spot.


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