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No Reads but Tired of Donks - $5.50 MicroMillions Tournament Hand - Sun Jul 27, 2014, 08:46 AM
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It is $5.50 Micro Millions-094 [1R1A] with 10mins blind level. This is 1st hand of the tournament, so zero reads.

What should I take of this turn donk pot size bet? Can I shove on her?

PokerStars Hand #119304073589: Tournament #932545708, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (20/40) - 2014/07/27 18:00:21 IST [2014/07/27 8:30:21 ET]
Table '932545708 402' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: knerrad29 (5000 in chips)
Seat 2: BulstaticX (5000 in chips)
Seat 3: jerdely77 (5000 in chips)
Seat 4: dapappfreisn (5000 in chips)
Seat 5: 7 ANGELA 7 (5000 in chips)
Seat 6: adikumar2010 (5000 in chips)
Seat 7: adam1701 (5000 in chips)
Seat 8: 1_Jtz (5000 in chips)
Seat 9: AndrKud (10000 in chips)
BulstaticX: posts small blind 20
jerdely77: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to adikumar2010 [ ]
dapappfreisn: folds
7 ANGELA 7: calls 40
adikumar2010: raises 120 to 160
adam1701: folds
1_Jtz: folds
AndrKud: folds
knerrad29: folds
BulstaticX: folds
jerdely77 has timed out
jerdely77: folds
jerdely77 is sitting out
7 ANGELA 7: calls 120
*** FLOP *** [ ]
7 ANGELA 7: checks
adikumar2010: bets 228
7 ANGELA 7: calls 228
*** TURN *** [ ] []
7 ANGELA 7: bets 836
adikumar2010:
 
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Sun Jul 27, 2014, 09:26 AM
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Shoving would be the single worst thing you could do.
In your shoes I'd happily fold and make a note, me I wouldn't be in that spot - regging before break is too pro for me.
 
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Sun Jul 27, 2014, 09:51 AM
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What do you mean by it Awe?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Profess Awe View Post
I wouldn't be in that spot - regging before break is too pro for me.
 
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Sun Jul 27, 2014, 10:32 AM
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With no read I would also fold here. I know its a rebuy but that does not mean great poker for all. Sure this may be a great blocking bet by a pro player but it just screams Holy thank goodness paired my ace the pot is mine.

As for Profess Awes comment on late regging, some players in large fields (micro millions especially) like to register later for the game to avoid some of the "all in donkeys"/ bad players....

of course it is annoying to have your AA crack by a fisherman playing his 67s to the very end with terrible odds but 9 times out of ten they are going to spew those chips to you and isn't that what we want in a tournament?

(I could be dead wrong about reasoning but that's my understanding of the reason)

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Sun Jul 27, 2014, 10:57 AM
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I regged late because that would have been first MTT of my session, I regged it when next one started. Nothing to do with avoiding fishies, I like playing with them. Hopefully that half an hour not playing will help me out when I am feeling half an hour fresher at end of session.

Back to hand, board is double flushing, in which case I suspect that villain may be protecting their hand and there are enough value hands that beat KK to lead me to happily fold.
 
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Sun Jul 27, 2014, 01:24 PM
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Hi adikumar2010!

With KK preflop, I'm going to make a standard raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper (160).

When the flop is draw heavy, I'm going to make a standard bet (1/2 pot against one opp) of 190. I need to make all of my bets standard, in order to not give off a tell as to what my hand is. By overbetting here, I'm basically turning my card face-up saying that I have a big pair or better... something that I do not want to do.

The turn puts an overcard to my pair out there and now the opp bombs the turn (already knowing that I have at least TPTK or better). It's early in the tourney and I have a very playable stack if I get off the hand, so my KK is headed straight into the muck.

Big bets like this early will almost always be Ax and it's nowhere near the risk to call this bet, let alone shove. Shoving here is just lighting the buy-in on fire and throwing my money away... something that I absolutely need to avoid.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)

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Sun Jul 27, 2014, 01:38 PM
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I thought by shoving I can make him fold almost any hand realistically except a set or AQ.
 
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Sun Jul 27, 2014, 01:44 PM
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I thought by shoving I can make him fold almost any hand realistically except a set or AQ.
Opps will most likely not be folding ANY ace. Early in tourneys, the way to make chips is to value bet.. not bluff, as too many opps will not fold.

If I was the opp and you shoved here, I'm snap-calling it with basically any ace. No way am I even considering folding AQ or even AJ or AT. Your overbet on the flop says pair.. not big ace. due to this being a rebuy, if I got my 2nd bullet left, I'd snap a shove with A2, solely due to the flop overbet.

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