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Folded To His Raise On The Turn? - 10 NL Fullring - Fri Aug 01, 2014, 07:26 PM
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I'm trying to work on my aggression in the game, raising bigger and more often trying to get opponents off marginal hands (which is hard to do at micro-stakes).

From what I observed about this player was that he was very tight, almost nitty. He didn't enter many pots and didn't raise much preflop.



I had a great starting hand and was happy to play agressively hoping to get heads-up with some of the more loose players, but the nitty guy tagged along.

Post-flop I again showed aggression and again on the turn but he wasn't going away. His re-raise on the turn threw me completely. I knew he couldn't be doing it with air but what could he have? Trips, maybe Aces? Hardly a nut flush draw?

I almost shoved my stack in but my gut told me to fold, I didn't like to at all and it went against the aggression that I'm trying to develop in my game.

I don't know if this was a good fold or not, any advice?

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Fri Aug 01, 2014, 08:58 PM
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good discipline fold

4 way into the flop i dont like K's into this kind of action regardless of the read you got on the player

the moment opponent flats the flop with 2 players left to act then reraise the turn overpair is not enough most of the time
 
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Sat Aug 02, 2014, 02:23 AM
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Hi Paul,

Your gut was right. While we don't have post flop stats here, his preflop stats are passive. It's a limited sample size of only 76 hands, but consider:

-His PFR is only 5%, which is passive
-He has yet to 3B anyone in 24 opportunities, which is passive
-He has yet to go to a showdown (and his turn raise means he's going there this time if we are willing).

Pretty good circumstantial evidence that this guy is passive and nitty. Players like that just don't raise the turn without a monster. Even more evidence: We have c-bet the flop for a large sizing into a 4 way pot, which shows great strength, and he didn't fold. From a nit that alone should ring warning bells for us. On the turn, this player type will just call our bet with TT/JJ/QQ almost certainly.

This is never 100% certain, there's always the chance they show up with something weird, but I think we are getting shown a set the large majority of the time in this spot and am comfortable laying the hand down to his raise.




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Sat Aug 02, 2014, 05:26 AM
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Thank you Dave and Marvin, I'm feeling a little happier about folding now.

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Sat Aug 02, 2014, 11:58 AM
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These types of folds will do wonders to your winrate! It's painful, but all the evidence is there as supplied by the very knowledgeable people on this forum. Twisting it around, you saved yourself a couple of buyins by not shoving. Feels almost like a win!
 
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Sat Aug 02, 2014, 12:04 PM
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These types of folds will do wonders to your winrate! It's painful, but all the evidence is there as supplied by the very knowledgeable people on this forum. Twisting it around, you saved yourself a couple of buyins by not shoving. Feels almost like a win!
Yeah, I guess it is. All too often I don't fold in these situations and it's a huge leak in my game.

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Sat Aug 02, 2014, 01:43 PM
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Yeah, i didnt knew it before i read that on 2+2, but i suppose this is Baluga Theorem in action , turn raise from a nit is almost never bluff here, opp is basically saying "i got overpair beat", wp Raiser.
 

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