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KK vs QJo - Wed Aug 06, 2014, 01:56 PM
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Wed Aug 06, 2014, 01:59 PM
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QJo will win 14.3% here. The big problem with the hand though is the opening raise. A standard raise is to 3BB+1BB for each limper or 60 chips. Overbetting here is not a good play and is easily exploitable.

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hi - Thu Aug 07, 2014, 03:52 AM
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QJo will win 14.3% here. The big problem with the hand though is the opening raise. A standard raise is to 3BB+1BB for each limper or 60 chips. Overbetting here is not a good play and is easily exploitable.

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is easily exploitable?please if you can explaim this?english is not my primary language.Really want understand


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Thu Aug 07, 2014, 06:21 AM
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The "normal" preflop raise size would be 60 chips. If you decide to raise preflop, you should ALWAYS make is this size, no matter what hand you have.

In this hand, you chose to make a very large raise preflop, 8 times the Big Blind, when you had a very strong hand.

Your opponents will notice that you make unusually large preflop raises with your strongest hands.

In future, when your opponents see you make a very large preflop raise, they will know you have a very strong hand and will fold everything apart from AA.

Also, when you open for a smaller amount, they will likely know that you don't have a very strong hand, so they can possibly raise and bluff you because they know you will only have a medium strength hand.
 
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is easily exploitable?please if you can explaim this?english is not my primary language.Really want understand
Here's how a knowledgeable player will exploit the open-limper.

When a player open-limps, a smart player with position will raise. The open-limp is normally a marginal to weak hand, so the limper now has 2 options. Either lose 1BB and fold or call a standard raise to 4BB.

If the limper calls, they will only hit the flop about 1 in every 3 times. This means that they will have to fold 2 out of every 3 times, so if they do this 3 times, on average, they lose 4BB.. which is more than 1BB per hand.

Either way, the open-limper is losing chips on average (either 1BB or 1.3BB)... both are a loss over time.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Thu Aug 07, 2014, 01:01 PM
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Ok...supose i make mistake preflop with high raise,but i dont see how i can pass trough this hand later to not kick out,because villain are aggro and preflop fold are not option...no way.Two hands in preflop i never fold whatever


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hi - Thu Aug 07, 2014, 01:07 PM
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Here's how a knowledgeable player will exploit the open-limper.

When a player open-limps, a smart player with position will raise. The open-limp is normally a marginal to weak hand, so the limper now has 2 options. Either lose 1BB and fold or call a standard raise to 4BB.

If the limper calls, they will only hit the flop about 1 in every 3 times. This means that they will have to fold 2 out of every 3 times, so if they do this 3 times, on average, they lose 4BB.. which is more than 1BB per hand.

Either way, the open-limper is losing chips on average (either 1BB or 1.3BB)... both are a loss over time.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Thanks John.I understand .exploit(iskoristit)this word boder me...i keep in my mind when i play in these situations


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Thu Aug 07, 2014, 01:24 PM
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Here's the other end of the spectrum...

If someone open-limps a monster hand, then you get this happening... the opps to act behind will be getting the correct pot odds to play marginal hands. When the opps get the correct odds, the big hand WILL lose chips to the bad hands on average.

Due to this, I need to make standard bets and raises, so that the opps that are calling with worse hands will pay a price where they expect to lose chips to me.. instead of getting in cheaply and expecting to win chips off of me on average.

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Thu Aug 07, 2014, 02:12 PM
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The third way to be exploited is when a player overbets, as it turns their cards face-up to their opponents. When someone does this, if the opps are even remotely competent, they will call with better hands and fold all worse ones... so the player with the big hand never wins chips... they only will get called and lose.

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hi - Thu Aug 07, 2014, 02:56 PM
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Here's the other end of the spectrum...

If someone open-limps a monster hand, then you get this happening... the opps to act behind will be getting the correct pot odds to play marginal hands. When the opps get the correct odds, the big hand WILL lose chips to the bad hands on average.
Due to this, I need to make standard bets and raises, so that the opps that are calling with worse hands will pay a price where they expect to lose chips to me.. instead of getting in cheaply and expecting to win chips off of me on average.

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i understand...you writte: When the opps get the correct odds,the big hand will lose chips to the bad hands on average...something like this

i dont care if i lose one million time with aces.I want learn how avoid lose all chips with any hand,so i need disccus of my mistakes and bad beats to avoid them later.thankS John for help


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Thu Aug 07, 2014, 03:02 PM
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Sometimes there's nothing we can do about it... aces will lose a given % of the time. What we can do, however is to find a happy medium where we get the most from our gains when we win.. and minimize our losses, when we lose.

It takes time to learn, but it's something that all players will need to learn in order to become better.

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