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25NL Zoom AJ in SB hit two pair on the flop - Sun Aug 10, 2014, 02:34 PM
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Just checking my line on this hand.

Villain is 30/20 1.8 AgF over 50 hands.

I just call because frankly I didn't feel the BB would squeeze and I didn't want to 3bet and get 4bet.

Flop is pretty sweet from my point of view and I raise villains Cbet with my two pair because I think I can get value from big Aces some draws like KQ.

I also value own myself against sets of course which is unfortunate.

Having taken that line on flop I follow through with turn and river bets.

Can or should I do anything different here?

 
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Sun Aug 10, 2014, 03:32 PM
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I was gonna say fold pre un till i saw he is petty loose, i think the turn bet turns your hands face up as pure value only on that card so i don't like a river bet unless he would call down top pair and im not sure if you can x/c river i guess it depends on if he would call flush draws on that turn card and then bluff the river when checked to.
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2014, 06:03 AM
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I would 3 bet the hand pre. i don't like having a calling range in the small blind at all.
I would prefer a C/c line on the flop. when a/the villain calls a check raise. his disparity of hands shrinks and his range becomes a lot stronger.
There are AQ/Ak hands that he will call with on the flop but does call with AT?
so on the flop he would call the c/r with AA,Ak,AQ,AJ,A5s,55,JJ,56s,54s and spade draws if he calls wider we cant say!
I think C/c all the way to the river and raising the river would be the best play as he is more likely to call a raise with Ax type of hands. ie AK AQ beat a chop
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2014, 06:04 AM
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i should say as played, i check river.. and fold too a shove from viliian!
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2014, 07:12 AM
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BB isn't going to come along light and I can play pretty much perfectly against him as he has the nuts if he doesn't fold after the flop. Effectively I am the BB here 90% of the time.
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2014, 07:58 AM
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Yeah it's fine. Pre's whatever. I think it's fine given the bb is a fish and we don't have to worry about getting squeezed as often.
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2014, 08:54 AM
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BB isn't going to come along light and I can play pretty much perfectly against him as he has the nuts if he doesn't fold after the flop. Effectively I am the BB here 90% of the time.

I stand by the 3 bet pre statement!
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2014, 10:33 AM
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I stand by the 3 bet pre statement!
That's fine, but are you 3betting for value or as a bluff?
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2014, 01:03 PM
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I would not raise the flop because the villain is going to bet 100% of his range in this dry board. Keep his bluffing range in. C/C is my line in this scenario. But since he will probably not gonna bluff this turn card, what do you think about a donk bet on the turn and not giving him a free card? I saw Vanessa Selbst take this line in the last PCA and it made sense. If viaalin is prone to check turn just don'g give him a free card.
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2014, 01:30 PM
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Hi bhoy,

I'm with birdayy on this one, I think the play is fine. I lean towards flatting pre in this spot personally for a couple reasons:

1) The read on V5 is quite limited, we don't know if a 3B will fold out worse and only get action from better, if he's capable of 4-betting lite, etc.

2) BB is a fish who will increase the utility of our call by over calling with a large subset of hands that we dominate... Ax and Jx.

Post flop as played, never check/folding this river. Villain often has an ace in this spot and all flopped draws bricked off, so I do like just moving it all in and expect to get paid by worse hoping to snap our bluffs.



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Mon Aug 11, 2014, 02:03 PM
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Okay, thanks everyone.

Glad the flat pre was ok, not sure if the BB is a fish as such but he has never played a hand. Either calling or raising. We're not talking hundreds of hands or anything but he's just never put money into the pot voluntarily so I was pretty sure I could take any action from him at face value.

When we got to the river I felt pretty sure HJ had a big Ace and would call, he can also have sets etc. but that would be pretty unfortunate, so I felt the shove was mandatory at that point.

He had the big Ace I was looking for this time, AK.
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2014, 02:04 PM
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Dave are you shipping river because of the villain type or is this a standard 3 barrel spot, i cant see me ever showing up with worse.
 
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Mon Aug 11, 2014, 05:26 PM
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Dave are you shipping river because of the villain type or is this a standard 3 barrel spot, i cant see me ever showing up with worse.
The villain type is uncertain, 50 hands of 30/20 doesn't give us much read, just the way this hand played out villain has AK/AQ a ton and with all draws bricking he will call to snap bluffs with those a fair bit.

Flopped sets are pretty hard to hold here, we block top and middle set and bottom set became quads.


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