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16NL-cashgame-Where am I wrong? - Wed Aug 13, 2014, 11:13 PM
jsguo's Avatar
Since: Apr 2014
Posts: 22

I think pehaps I should'nt have called on the turn,but I thought I still have 4 outs of AK in case he had hit set.any comments?
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 04:34 AM
dog-en-saka's Avatar
Since: Jul 2014
Posts: 22

I also think it's a fold. It seems there's almost no weaker hand which can make this shove OTT... (I would assume AK,TT,77, or possibly QJ. flush draw seems not so likely, Txs, 7xs would fold pre or flop)
I would bet more OTF, and less OTT. I feel an ace OTT does not help us so much: We are already ahead OTF against JJ,QQ, and weaker Kx, while J and Q OTR are scarecard for us.
I think our bet OTT can't be a value bet, and about 3.0 would be enough to make the hands above fold.

I would also consider to check-call OTT, but I'm not sure it is ok or not.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 05:31 AM
ForrestFive's Avatar
Since: May 2011
Posts: 2,036
Hi jsguo,

I would have played the hand the same way pre flop. If you had a read on the open raiser "was a very tight player" we could call. Though there is not that much difference if on flop TPTK we don't bet stronger. Not 1/2 pot but more.

So now the bad news, if we inflated the pot our turn bet needs to be bigger - wow turn 2 pair.

Anyway the cards are the same. If we flat pre flop, cbet flop / turn the same bet size or more - we get raised the same.

Now it feels sick because the turn raise is sized to commit us, even with our smaller bets. So bad advice to say make bets bigger (in hindsight) after seeing the result.

I can fold one day "did I see that player do something === has the nuts" and on another day just call. Against an unknown my nit mode would flat pre and play a small pot.

Bad now to delay the bigger bets to the river and even worse because a 3bet folds out QJ T9 etc.. or did we want value from those hands calling.

As played it's a fold. Just started typing after seeing the result and was thinking - would it make any difference taking a different pre flop line / bet size? No, just wasted your time.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:35 PM
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Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 13,510
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Hi jsguo,

I tend to agree... especially after our turn sizing which is almost full pot, and the fact that we have top and 2nd set as well as AK well within our range here, I would rate the villain to be very strong moving all in. Villain doing this with worse hands (AQ/AJ/QQ/JJ) would be fairly suicidal, so absent any read that villain is a huge fish, I think we can make an exploitative fold here.

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