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100NL, ZOOM Turned nut vs. XC, XC, XRAI - Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:27 PM
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Since: Jun 2010
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UTG: (24 hands) 17/17/0.5
SB: (335 hands) 15/10/1.9
BB: (33 hands) 24/12/2.0

PF: I think PF is pretty standiardo trying to invite the weaker players in the blinds to come along.

OTF: I think my sizing is pretty good.

OTT: $12.00-$15.00 would be better? I was thinking after the villain XCs OTF that they might have a flush draw as well, so I was expecting them to XR their flush here but they don't.

OTR: Villain decides to X/Shove on me!

Would you call this check/shove or fold? Villain's AF is very small @ 0.5 but so is our sample size. The problem I see here is that villains rarely X/Shove the river as a bluff.

 
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Fri Aug 15, 2014, 09:43 PM
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tough spot

im going to call on the river because if he got set of 9's 7's on flop. I think he's gonna cbet it bec

the semi wet board or at least check raise it already.

on the river you got to call he got the 2nd best flush.
 
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Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:15 PM
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Fold.

No reasonable player will x/shove a flush here given you have nearly all boat combos in your range.

Fwiw AA plays this 100% the same.
 
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Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:42 PM
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Hi dirt,

Interesting hand. I think I would call here. The villain's line just makes little sense to me for most randoms and how they would play their sets.

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Originally Posted by birdayy View Post
No reasonable player will x/shove a flush here given you have nearly all boat combos in your range.

Fwiw AA plays this 100% the same.
FTR, I don't disagree with any of this. The thing is, maybe villain's not a reasonable player. If we knew villain was solid, I think it's a fold (and we'll see AA/99/77 mostly). Readless, I think it's so much less clear. People might go nuts with a flush, with AK played awful, or with some bluff thinking we can't call. They won't think about or realize we have 77/99 in our range.

I guess my position is, vs. a known fish, I would call. Vs a strong player, I think it's a fold. Vs a random, it's not crystal clear but with the nut flush I would lean towards calling.



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Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:08 AM
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I think specifically at Zoom we should be erring on the side of folding.
 

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