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Hotter $3.30 turbo, Can I shove? - Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:41 AM
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This is Hotter $3.30 turbo game with 5mins blind level.

Can I shove this hand over the limp?
What are the hands that qualify for shove here?

 
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Mon Aug 25, 2014, 07:10 AM
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Hey Adi,

By the stack sizes and blind level I guess the tourney is in it's early/middle stages (you are still far from the money)
Now, if that is true consider this : you are invited to join for free so why risking more (you are not very strong yourself here). Check and evaluate the flop, you have a hand that flops good.
Shoving even with AA in this spot is not a value move, because the limpers don't like that, and they limp all crazy stuff that will fold to such an aggressive move. By no means you should limp behind with AA but I will raise maybe make it 600 (if I am called I can shove any flop - by the time I raise I have this in mind with my stack).
With KK,QQ,JJ I guess it's the same (raise smaller, min raise even) if no over cards drop on the flop, pull the trigger. If overcards do make an appearance hmm, it gets tricky, you need to evaluate on your opp action and your reads.

Regards
 
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Mon Aug 25, 2014, 09:19 AM
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Hi adi

We can shove the QJo profitably because of the ante's. Villain will fold quite often and you have a good amount of equity against the hands he calls with. I would cram in 109s/QJ+/Ax/any pair. You will get called by better hands quite often but it's +ev none the less.

Cheers, Chris.

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Tue Aug 26, 2014, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by shoim View Post
Now, if that is true consider this : you are invited to join for free so why risking more (you are not very strong yourself here). Check and evaluate the flop, you have a hand that flops good.
By shoving, we have a low-risk way of winning a pot of 725 chips (increasing our stack by 1/3) without having to see a flop. This is because the villain will usually be limp/folding. When he decides to call with his 66 or A3o or whatever we are still only a slight underdog anyway.

By checking we are choosing to play passively out of position with a hand that will not flop a made hand 2/3 of the time. This sounds like much harder work than the first option!

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Shoving even with AA in this spot is not a value move, because the limpers don't like that, and they limp all crazy stuff that will fold to such an aggressive move.
This reinforces what I said above.

If we had AA here, shoving would be fine but like you say, we could get more value by raising smaller and basically getting all in on any flop.

The range Chris gives for jamming here sounds about right to me.
 

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