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Did my opponent play his hand horribly against me? - Mon Aug 25, 2014, 05:35 PM
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Since: Dec 2012
Posts: 195
PokerStars Hand #120599057941: Tournament #942259836, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level III (40/80) - 2014/08/25 14:18:14 PT [2014/08/25 17:18:14 ET]
Table '942259836 703' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: H4nib4lL (6560 in chips)
Seat 2: hardking09 (3540 in chips)
Seat 3: passter (3570 in chips)
Seat 4: Baggio Karel (6220 in chips)
Seat 5: jon2192 (2370 in chips)
Seat 6: strujenbajen (4730 in chips)
Seat 7: Strelok950 (1580 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: A-Kulya580 (2640 in chips)
hardking09: posts small blind 40
passter: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to passter [Qh Qs]
Baggio Karel: folds
jon2192: folds
strujenbajen: folds
Strelok950: folds
A-Kulya580: folds
H4nib4lL: calls 80
hardking09: folds
passter: raises 140 to 220
H4nib4lL: calls 140
*** FLOP *** [2c 5s 8c]
passter: bets 280
H4nib4lL: raises 280 to 560
passter: raises 1280 to 1840
H4nib4lL: raises 4500 to 6340 and is all-in
passter: calls 1510 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2990) returned to H4nib4lL
*** TURN *** [2c 5s 8c] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [2c 5s 8c Th] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
passter: shows [Qh Qs] (a pair of Queens)
H4nib4lL: shows [Ks Ah] (a pair of Aces)
H4nib4lL collected 7180 from pot
passter finished the tournament in 4579th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7180 | Rake 0
Board [2c 5s 8c Th Ad]
Seat 1: H4nib4lL (button) showed [Ks Ah] and won (7180) with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: hardking09 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: passter (big blind) showed [Qh Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: Baggio Karel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jon2192 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: strujenbajen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Strelok950 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: A-Kulya580 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

He 4-bet shoved on the flop to force me all-in with A high and obviously I would call on that flop with QQ 95% percent of the time, I mean what was he thinking?
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 07:50 PM
JWK24's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,832
Hi passter!

Honestly, I think this is misplayed by everyone, especially the bet sizes.

When I'm first to open a pot, I need to make a standard raise and for this blind level, that is to 3BB+1BB for each limper, so preflop, I need to raise to 320. I do not want to raise to less or I may be giving the opp the correct odds to be in the hand against me. If I give them the correct odds and lose, it's my own fault that I lose the hand.

On the flop, with an overpair, I need to make a standard lead value bet. Bets postflop need to be sized based on the size of the pot, number of opps and board texture. With one opp, I need to bet 1/2 pot.. no more, no less. By overbetting, the opp knows I have a big hand as I'm basically turning my cards face-up to an observant opponent. If I make the same bet over and over, regardless of my cards, then the opps are continually guessing as to what my cards are. Players that bet more with better hands and less with marginal ones are turning their cards face-up to everyone at the table.

The opp now raises and their raise sizing is way off. A standard raise is to between 2.5x the previous bet and a pot-sized bet... not less (or the opp can be getting the correct odds).

Then the re-raise by the hero is way too small. I need to raise to about 3x the opp's bet.

The opp now shoves and if they are going to call my bet.. they DO need to shove as this bet basically pot-commits them. Whenever I make a bet where 1/3 of my chips go into the pot, I cannot fold later in the hand, so I need to shove.

The chips here should have went in preflop because the opp should have raised, I would 3-bet, they shove and I call.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)


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Mon Aug 25, 2014, 11:46 PM
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Tue Aug 26, 2014, 03:24 AM
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Since: Jul 2011
Posts: 26,026
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Sorry, this hand was deleted by its owner

I'd have to agree with John, both of you really overplayed your premium hands here.

The action OTF got a little crazy.

There's a great video series by Dave where he looks at situations when playing pocket pairs. In the videos he specifically looks at medium to small pairs but there's tons of information that can be learned from these videos that apply to playing premium pairs also,

Here's the links, hope it helps.


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