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10nl zoom : A move I tried in a multi-way 3b pot in position - Sat Aug 30, 2014, 05:49 PM
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Hey guys,

For this hand I wanted to add something new to my game and found this hand with a good opportunity:
PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Button ($13.49)
SB ($23.07)
BB ($15.80)
UTG ($11)
MP ($18.11)
CO ($11.41)

Preflop:
1 fold, MP raises to $0.35, 1 fold, Button calls $0.35, 1 fold, BB raises to $1.45, MP calls $1.10, Button calls $1.10

Flop: ($4.40) 4, 5, Q (3 players)
BB bets $1.60, MP raises to $3.20, Button raises to $7.80, 2 folds

Total pot: $12.40 | Rake: $0.56

Results below:
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I am inclined to take this move as both the 3b raise and subsequently the flop min-re-raise coupled with the dry board compelled me to act as I did.
I do note that this is some rare spice I could use now and every Christmas, but yeah, why not.
What do you think ?

Thanks and regards.
 
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Tue Sep 02, 2014, 10:53 AM
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Hi shoim,

I assume we are the button with the KQ... I don't really like this line, I think re-raising doesn't accomplish much here. I can't imagine we would get a worse hand to call, or a better hand to fold (most better hands in MP's range will be AQ/44/55).



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Tue Sep 02, 2014, 11:57 AM
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Hey Dave,

This is me in the btn, hand converter messed things up a bit.
I chose to take this line based on the following assumption : KQ is a good blocker against QQ, KK and somewhat AK or AQ, AK is actually a good hand for my opp to have, one that I don't see continuing on my aggro bet. On the other hand, while the initial raiser could open 44, 55 for sure, I really don't think BB is going to 3b with it, yet they can't really be taken out of MP's calling range for set mining.
Short story, I ran the figures into equilab and used the following ranges :

Board: 4h5sQd
Equity Win Tie
MP2 19.40% 17.60% 1.79% { JJ-44, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, JTs, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, ATo+, KQo }
BU 48.49% 47.01% 1.48% { KsQc }
BB 32.11% 31.61% 0.50% { 99+, AJs+, AQo+ }

I initially added AA, KK, QQ to the initial raiser, but given that he elects not to 4b and just call I subtracted them from his range. Even with them on the equation the figures are not looking bad either :

Board: 4h5sQd
Equity Win Tie
MP2 22.66% 20.92% 1.73% { 44+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, JTs, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, ATo+, KQo }
BU 46.25% 44.86% 1.39% { KsQc }
BB 31.09% 30.57% 0.52% { 99+, AJs+, AQo+ }

Do you think that this ranging is out of line ?

Thanks and regards.

PS : I wouldn't take this line in a HU pot

Last edited by shoim; Tue Sep 02, 2014 at 12:08 PM..
 
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Tue Sep 02, 2014, 02:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shoim View Post
Board: 4h5sQd
Equity Win Tie
MP2 22.66% 20.92% 1.73% { 44+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, JTs, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, ATo+, KQo }
BU 46.25% 44.86% 1.39% { KsQc }
BB 31.09% 30.57% 0.52% { 99+, AJs+, AQo+ }

Do you think that this ranging is out of line ?
Yes, very much so. I think you are talking their preflop ranges here. There's a big problem with that... at your decision point the preflop 3-bettor has c-bet, and MP2 has raised. MP2's action significantly changes his range from what he might have held preflop, Part of why your equities are so far off is because you are still including complete air like 98s/T8s, and low equity hands like 77 that are probably not continuing on the flop, much less raising.

Start by revising MP2's range to carry forward only the holdings you think might raise the flop, then see how your equity lies. Then from there, you can posit if you 3B the flop as you did, what % of his flop raising range fold, and what's your equity vs. their continuing ranges.


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