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Playing JJ,TT,99 early position - Mon Sep 08, 2014, 08:42 PM
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I was reading the cash game course in this site and I noticed something odd in the "starting hand chart".

(http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/art...lop-essentials)

So.. it says you should fold with JJ,TT,99 in early position when everyone folded? Why would you do that? I generally raise with these cards even in early position.

Same with small pairs, why would you call when you are raised but fold when you are not raised?! Am I not reading this table right? Most of it looks weird to me.
 
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Mon Sep 08, 2014, 09:34 PM
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You can call to setmine if the stacks are deep enough or raise a limper, but these hands are too weak to play profitably from early position in unopened pots.

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Mon Sep 08, 2014, 09:56 PM
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Thanks for the answer.. it makes some sense to play on limpers but here is my real problem.

If I'm UTG+1 with 77 and UTG raises, I should call.
If I'm UTG+1 with 77 and UTG folds, I should fold?

I don't understand the logic there.
 
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Mon Sep 08, 2014, 10:17 PM
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It takes a stronger hand to open a pot than it does to get in behind someone with position on them.

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Mon Sep 08, 2014, 10:25 PM
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Cool, didn't know that. Thanks!
 
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Mon Sep 08, 2014, 10:41 PM
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Position is a huge key postflop when playing hold'em. The player in position has the advantage and when you're in early position, you will be out of position the overwhelming majority of the time.

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Mon Sep 08, 2014, 10:53 PM
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Indeed, I didn't appreciate the importance in opening the pot vs. calling a raise early position. Even if you are UTG+1 it's a game changer.
 
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Fri Sep 12, 2014, 03:46 AM
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Ofc 90% of people dont play by this rules... micros in general,so they raise from utg any pair,any Ax... suited or not,any connectors

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Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:28 PM
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That chart is a mess. You can for sure open 99 utg. And you shouldnt be raising AK vs an UTG open as a standard.
 
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Mon Sep 29, 2014, 08:28 AM
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Quote:
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Position is a huge key postflop when playing hold'em. The player in position has the advantage and when you're in early position, you will be out of position the overwhelming majority of the time.

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Sklansky would disagree with you (The Gap Concept).

The raiser loses position (if you're not in the blinds) but does have the initiative.
 
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Wed Oct 22, 2014, 04:52 PM
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In my opinion there are more factors to take in consideration when opening 77+ from UTG.
Most important is that you have a betting lead and can take a lot of pots with a Cbet.
 

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