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KK vs. AA - Tue Sep 09, 2014, 06:32 PM
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This happens everytime I'm all in pre-flop with KK. Should I be laying these down to a 4-bet? It's always going to be AA, or at best another KK, if there's an all-in pre-flop, right? Especially against tight players.
 
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Tue Sep 09, 2014, 07:11 PM
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Terminology: you make a 4bet, villain_4 make a 5bet. (The blind is counted as the first bet)


On 2NL, a 5bet basically means AA or KK. Only a tiny % of the people will pull this of with AK, qq, JJ or less.

In this hand, your 4bet is a bit large. I think 4bet's are 2 - 2.2 x, and if you do that, you will not be potcommited and could get out of it.

As played, with the sizing you use, you are potcommited and would be wrong to fold to the shove.
Problem is, the only hand that will shove now is AA because you are shouting out loud you have a really big hand and not gonna fold.
 
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Tue Sep 09, 2014, 07:28 PM
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Ok, thanks rk.

So best line to take against a tight player at 2NL here would be to 4-bet villain to around .60, trying not to get pot committed. If a shove comes then laying down KK in that spot is going to be +EV?

Will this still apply if the read on villain is something more loose or aggro, like 40/15/3.0 or 25/25/4.0? I have seen players all-in with trash, just never against me
 
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Tue Sep 09, 2014, 10:28 PM
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It's button vs BB, where ranges are super-wide. You're supposed to go broke here against anyone but the nittiest nit.
On another day, you're the one with aces. I promise you that 2NL villains aren't folding KK on the button when you squeeze from the BB, so just chalk this up as variance, as the situation will even out in the long run.

If it was UTG that raised and UTG+1 called and you were in the next seat, you'd have a more of a case for folding if you 3-bet squeezed and then faced a 4-bet from UTG. In the spot above, though, not so much.


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Wed Sep 10, 2014, 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by AJ_Orion View Post
Ok, thanks rk.

So best line to take against a tight player at 2NL here would be to 4-bet villain to around .60, trying not to get pot committed. If a shove comes then laying down KK in that spot is going to be +EV?

Will this still apply if the read on villain is something more loose or aggro, like 40/15/3.0 or 25/25/4.0? I have seen players all-in with trash, just never against me

I didn't say you should fold to a shove in this situation. As Arty says, this could very well be a steal/resteal situation were villain can be much wider than usual because he thinks you were just trying to steal the pot.
 

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