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FD vs Overpair - Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:28 PM
adikumar2010's Avatar
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,094
It is $11 Super Stack tournament on FTP with 12min slow blind level and 5000 starting stack.

How should I have played this hand street by street regardless of what opponent was holding. Coz he can have lot of top pair hands.

He is a major donk, I played 3 hands with him and took his chips. Suppose I raise AQ flop is AJ7 J 9, he donks 3 streets with A6 and gets value owned. I didn't raise on river as he can donk with Jx which is trips.

Again in another hand I had AA flop is QJ8, he donks flop I call, he donk turn which is 9, then he checks the river A. and I bet he fold. So board is QJ89A and I know he must be donking Qx Jx into me so I was slowplaying AA.

In all the hands he is either on SB or BB calling a raise.

But on this wet board I figured he can donk pair and flush draws so I raised so that he shoves on the flop which he didn't. Then his turn small donk bet was just a blocker with his some pair or with some kind of draw so I shoved there.

Full Tilt Poker Game #34678277842: Super Stack $4K Guarantee (275317219), Table 39 - NL Hold'em - 300/600 Ante 75 - 01:33:10 IST - 2014/09/12 [16:03:10 ET - 2014/09/11]
Seat 1: Snjauw (12,852)
Seat 2: pAtcAsh83 (24,046)
Seat 3: schoko325 (22,930)
Seat 4: Sfantu_o (30,367)
Seat 6: adikumar2010 (24,590)
Seat 7: denikpro (8,342)
Seat 8: Cabeca Tilt (10,797)
Seat 9: FoolMoon1 (7,614)
Snjauw antes 75
pAtcAsh83 antes 75
schoko325 antes 75
Sfantu_o antes 75
adikumar2010 antes 75
denikpro antes 75
Cabeca Tilt antes 75
FoolMoon1 antes 75
pAtcAsh83 posts the small blind of 300
schoko325 posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to adikumar2010 [ ]
Sfantu_o folds
adikumar2010 raises to 1,200
denikpro folds
Cabeca Tilt has 15 seconds left to act
gvzzz sits down
Cabeca Tilt folds
FoolMoon1 folds
Snjauw folds
pAtcAsh83 folds
schoko325 calls 600
Snjauw is feeling angry
*** FLOP *** [ ] (Total Pot: 3,300, 2 Players)
schoko325 bets 3,300
adikumar2010 has 15 seconds left to act
adikumar2010 raises to 7,260
schoko325 calls 3,960
*** TURN *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: 17,820, 2 Players)
schoko325 bets 1,800
adikumar2010 raises to 16,055, and is all in
schoko325 calls 12,595, and is all in
adikumar2010 shows [Ks Kd]
schoko325 shows [Ac 4c]
Uncalled bet of 1,660 returned to adikumar2010
*** RIVER *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: 46,610, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
adikumar2010 shows a pair of Kings
schoko325 shows a flush, Ace high
schoko325 wins the pot (46,610) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 46,610 | Rake 0
Board: [ ]
Seat 1: Snjauw (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: pAtcAsh83 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: schoko325 (big blind) showed [ ] and won (46,610) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 4: Sfantu_o folded before the Flop
Seat 6: adikumar2010 showed [ ] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: denikpro folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Cabeca Tilt folded before the Flop
Seat 9: FoolMoon1 folded before the Flop

Tue Sep 16, 2014, 11:11 AM
JWK24's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,809
Hi adikumar2010!

With KK, I'm absolutely going to make a standard raise preflop.

The problem comes about on the flop. I have an overpair to a flop that has a flush draw and the opp pot-donk's into me. If I want to raise this bet (most likely will, but will call from a very aggro opp) then I need to raise to between 2.5X and 3X their bet. Anything in this range pot-commits me, so I need to shove the flop.

By making a smaller than standard raise, the opp IS getting the correct odds to stay in the hand. If they get the correct odds, they will win chips on average from me each and every time that I do this. The same thing now happens on the turn.. the opp gets the correct odds to call, so they should call and will expect to win chips off of me each and every single time.

This hand's a good example of why I want a gameplan when heading into a hand that will make my life easier and give me easy decisions when playing it.
Preflop, I'm not min-raising as a standard bet yet, I'm making it 1500. With KK and basically 20BB, I want to do what I can to build a pot so that I can get it in by the turn at the latest on a non-threatening board.
By having more in the pot preflop, my flop decision to shove when I get donkbet into is a no-brainer. There's more in the pot, so I'm easily pot-committed with my raise, so I can easily shove and give the opp the wrong odds to try to outdraw me.
By playing the hand this way, I expect to gain chips instead of having the opp expect to gain chips.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)

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Tue Sep 16, 2014, 01:23 PM
adikumar2010's Avatar
Since: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,094
I understand but that would not change the fact that if I will win/lose the hand coz these types of fishes never fold FD's. So no matter what pot odds I give them they are calling and chasing it.

They don't even know what pot odds means. They know Flush draw and is ready to play for stacks.

And in these kind of situation 1 pair vs FD , I will lose 1 out of 3 times. Like in this hand.
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 01:37 PM
JWK24's Avatar
Since: Jun 2010
Posts: 24,809

Being results oriented is not how you want to go about playing poker. What we want to do is to make the best possible decision for a given point in time with the information we have.

The best decision we can make is to give the opp a -EV play. When we give them a +EV play, we expect to lose chips and will....

We want to make plays where on average we expect to gain chips, not lose them and if we make a +EV play... the result of the hand doesn't matter.

John (JWK24)


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