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$2.20 NLHE tournament, 2.20 Mid Position AA with 16 BB - Mon Sep 15, 2014, 09:48 PM
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It's a 2.20 NLHE tournament and we're near the bubble. I get Aces and I am at around 16 BB and it's folded to me in Mid position. Things go horribly wrong.

How would you work with this? Would a stop-and-go be preferable in this particular case after we've seen the flop because of the added fear and fold equity?

Would you instead try a pre-flop shove?



 
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Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:10 PM
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Hi,

1) I would shove 16bb in this spot. The PSO training would say we lose value from worse hands. The flip side it looks like AK and big pairs may call us.

2) Raising is good to have our opponents make a mistake and 3bet us lite now we can put our remaining stack in happy.

It's difficult being short and 16bb hasn't much post flop playability. So I just sort it in the first place and put it in pre in micro tourneys.

As played post flop I'd say not much you can do. HA people can help better than me post flop. As an aside you are not the "stop and go" line. I believe that is an oop caller who calls and jams any flop.

Last edited by ForrestFive; Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 11:18 PM.. Reason: typos / stop and go
 
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Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:30 PM
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Hi Nataraj1!

With AA and 16BB, I'm going to open-ship here. If I bet small here, it's too much of a tell for a monster hand (to an observant player), so I want to make the play that looks the fishiest... and shove. Most players will interpret the shove as a hand that doesn't want called and with numerous loose opps behind me, I can easily get called by worse.

As played, I absolutely MUST shove the turn. I have an SPR of less than one, so any bet other than shoving is not good.

I definitely don't want to bet 7k here. A standard bet is 1/2 pot (so I can't go lower than this). By betting 7k, the opp is getting 22.5% pot odds. He has 8 outs to a straight, but has 2 overs, so while they only have 16% equity... they think they have 14 outs and 28% equity... which guarantees a call as it's a +EV play if all of their outs are good.
Shoving here gives the opp 32.3% pot odds.. a -EV play to call.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:46 PM
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Thanks for the tips, ForrestFive and John.

Hadn't noticed I can't really do a stop-and-go because by def. it's OOP, but I think I could have shoved this flop given the initial mistake already committed.

Ship pre looks like the best option, very good point John about playing in the fishiest way possible.

Hadn't noticed I messed up the bet according to pot odds on the turn. I think I should have bet more than 50% on the flop too and that could have resolved to something good.

Will have to study SPR with AA and watch for these conditions. I watched a video by Dave on SPR but remember the AK case.

Hadn't thought of estimating odds as per the opp perspective. Will keep this in mind if I believe the opp is playing two overs in the future.

Got a lot from the discussion, thanks guys. Will keep posting until I get these situations down cold in my brain.
 
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Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:28 AM
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One thing to keep in mind.... whenever 1/3 of my chips go into the pot due to a bet or call... I'm pot-committed and cannot fold later in the hand. Due to this, I have to shove.

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Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:10 PM
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Applied the 'play in the fishiest way possible' yesterday as a short stack with KK LP, and got someone to double me up. Easy!
 
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Tue Sep 16, 2014, 12:37 PM
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Applied the 'play in the fishiest way possible' yesterday as a short stack with KK LP, and got someone to double me up. Easy!


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