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Fold QQ preflop again? - Wed Sep 24, 2014, 05:40 AM
adikumar2010's Avatar
Since: Mar 2011
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It is $5.50 Super Stack tournament on FTP with 12min slow blind level and 5000 starting stack. I have a super big stack in top 2-3 players. Don't want to shove and flip even if he has AK or stack off to his AA KK.

I know better thing would be to just call there as I was not ready for 4-bet

5-bet or fold here?

This player is a regular pro, I find him playing many tables on FTP all the time. He plays TAG and solid mostly.

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Wed Sep 24, 2014, 11:44 AM
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Since: Jun 2010
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Hi adi,

I think 3-betting preflop is a critical mistake here. The villain is a tight player, who is opening in EP (for I assume 3x, the action isn't given but it looks like he probably opened for 300 and you made it 800), and who thus far has folded every time he's faced a 3b. IOW, I would expect his opening range to be strong to begin with from this position, and 3-betting him from EP will garner folds from most of the narrow portion of his opening range QQ is crushing. We should flat call preflop with the positional advantage on him, keeping in his entire opening range, and proceed from there.

5-bet or fold here?
As played, neither. I would flat call QQ/JJ (I would not 3-bet either to begin with though). I feel like if we 5-bet/get it in we are pretty thin in doing so and are going to be up against KK+ too much for my liking, and at the same time folding is too weak when we can't fully rule out JJ/TT/AK (which he may sometimes fold a hand like TT to a 5-bet). So I prefer to call his 4b, with my plan being to fold to a c-bet on an A or K high flop, fold to a largely sized c-bet on undercard flops, raise all in to a small c-bet on undercard flops (bet sizings that look like he's leaving himself room to get away, which may indicate a lack of confidence in his holding and gives us the green light imo), and bet/call off if checked to.

If you're feeling like none of these options is good, 5-bet, fold, or flat call... I'd agree with you. Which is why we shouldn't put ourselves in this position in the first place. Basically just try to remember when you're playing deep stacked and facing a tight EP open, you should tend to flat QQ in position most of the time for the reasons stated above.

BTW as an aside, although it's against our forum rules to post a link here, I looked up the villain on popular site that tracks MTT results... this villain is not a "regular pro". If he is a pro anyway, it's certainly not in tournament play. His MTT volume is more akin to a recreational player (villain plays about 30 tournaments/month) and he is a losing player with a typical TAG/Nit distribution of results. Incorporating this information into the stat data and positional read, I think his range is even stronger in this situation than if he were a pro, who would be capable of 4-betting light in spots like this.

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