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Lost my stack on QQ - Fri Sep 26, 2014, 03:44 AM
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Could I have played this different or was this just the way it goes, although I have gone out in 3 tournaments on pokertstars in the last 24 hours 2 of them I had KK and anded up facing AA then this. I thought it should be a rare occurance to face pairs like this but seems very regular on pokerstars.

Really looking to get some advice on these plays I had been card dead for ages in this torunament when this hand came along.

 
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Fri Sep 26, 2014, 05:08 AM
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Nothing wrong with going broke here. You had only like, what, 20 BB? I'm moving all in 100 out of 100 times here.
 
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Fri Sep 26, 2014, 01:01 PM
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Not a problem with getting it in here, but the initial raise is TOO big. When playing, I want to make standard raises, not to raise more with better hands and less with marginal ones.

I'd have made a standard raise to either 3BB+1BB for each limper, or 2.5BB+1BB for each limper... whichever one I'm using (normally 2.5 at this blind level), so I'd raise to 420.

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Mon Sep 29, 2014, 07:02 AM
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A second time with QQ, think I need to stop playing them seems all I ever do is lose my stack with them. Where did I go wrong here??

Should I have checked when the K came on the turn, or should I have folded to the check raise??
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Mon Sep 29, 2014, 07:15 AM
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I think check the turn. One pair isn't a massive hand with deep stacks and you have showdown value but with little chance to improve. I think removing a betting street is a good play and that is more important than someone drawing on you. One pair is almost always losing if you're raised on the turn, especially when it's no longer top pair. Maybe you sometimes catch semi bluff A7 type hands or smaller pockets but I think you're losing quite often. I think you played too big a pot with a marginal hand. The size of the turn bet means your pots odds will probably make it a call if he calls the turn and bets the flop.

Most of the hands you are beating (lower pockets which haven't tripled, AQ, AJ, AT) are unlikely to improve from seeing another card, but you may not get value on the turn when they think they have to call 2 bets. But you can't really get better hands to fold, of which there are more combinations.

If you're trying to price out draws, the bet size doesn't need to be as big.

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Mon Sep 29, 2014, 07:56 AM
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Thanks for that Fishwick,

At least I didn't lose so much next time I got QQ.

Still think I will have to stop playing QQ


 
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Mon Sep 29, 2014, 08:13 AM
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First hand: Betting the turn in position is not necessarily a bad move (calling usually is a sign of weakness, though this time your opponent was trapping), but yours was way too big and you absolutely have to fold to his raise. Your hand was nothing but a bluff catcher and we know that bluffs are rarely seen on microstakes.

Second hand: You did nothing wrong, really. You had good odds to find out if your hand was good. Your opponent could easily have tried to see the showdown cheaply with something like Tx, so...

Also, what do you mean, "will have to stop playing QQ"? You should by blissfully happy each time you see two queens in the pocket, man!
 
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Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:30 AM
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In the first QQ hand... way too big of a bet on the flop. Way too big of a bet on the turn.

A standard bet against 1 opp is 1/2 pot. Players that overbet normally have strong hands (big pairs), so the opp that flops a set now knows exactly what you have, knows they are ahead and can totally exploit you.

Standard bets, over and over and over are a big key in playing NLHE. Betting more with better hands and less with worse ones will end up having you go broke against an observant player because they'll know whether they're ahead or not.

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Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:31 AM
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Second QQ hand.. fold on river.

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Mon Sep 29, 2014, 02:30 PM
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Second QQ hand.. fold on river.

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I don't see the point of calling the raise if you're folding the river.
 
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Mon Sep 29, 2014, 02:32 PM
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I don't see the point of calling the raise if you're folding the river.
We never called a raise. If there weren't 3 spades on the board along with the A, then I would call the river.. but not when Ax and a draw beats me.. it's basically their whole range.

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Mon Sep 29, 2014, 02:43 PM
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We never called a raise. If there weren't 3 spades on the board along with the A, then I would call the river.. but not when Ax and a draw beats me.. it's basically their whole range.

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OK, when you said first and second you were talking about the second and third. No worries.
 

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