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pocket 7's in CO - Sun Sep 28, 2014, 11:14 AM
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Would appreciate some advice on this hand I think I played it right based on my read of the table.
Most of table seemed very loose and would limp with a very wide range of hands. mostly folding to pre flop raise.

Holfding pocket 7's I think I should have bet 12 cents not 10 but not a major issue as it had the desired effect and removed most of the limpers with heads up to the flop.

Flop gave me the set but also put a flush draw out there, villian led out with bet of 10c less than 1/3 pot, not convinced he had hit the flush draw I raised to 20c.

Should I have made this raise?

Turn comes a second 6 giving me the full house, villian made a pot sized bet of 65c I raised to 1.30 and he called. Didn't think the op could have had packet aces the only hand ahead of me.

River came a 10 villian checked so I shovedeven though he only had 38c left.

I think I was helped by the fact I was on a run of cards and had just opened and playedthe last 5 hands with only two of them going to showdown, winning all, so villian may have suspected I had nothing. But was still shocked by the hand he was playing.


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Sun Sep 28, 2014, 11:55 AM
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I still prefer to just limp with two sevens and set mine for the lowest price possible. If you don't hit a set, you basically need to turn your hand into a bluff to win the pot.

Raising the flop was correct I guess, but I would make it a bit bigger. I like to just call on the turn with nuts, though.

Turned out, you were up against a total fish so it didn't matter anyway.
 
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Sun Sep 28, 2014, 12:02 PM
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Yeah have been advised to flat call a flop with a pai but this table was a strange one in that if you limped you went to the pot 7 or 8 ways and din't really want that although as the hand played out it might have generated a much bigger pot but would be mad to go into a hand expecting to hit the nuts on the turn.
 
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Sun Sep 28, 2014, 12:36 PM
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Preflop, I need to make a standard play. I can raise or call, but if I raise, I need to make a standard one (3BB+1BB for each limper). If I raise to less than this, the opps can potentially be getting the correct odds to try to outdraw me... something I need to avoid.

The same thing on the flop. The opp didn't lead for a high enough bet to price out a flush draw, so I need to raise to do so. A standard raise is to between 3X the previous bet and 1/2 pot. I do not want to raise less than this or once again, the opp will expect to gain chips off of me. I want to make them make a play where I expect to gain chips.. not them.

The same thing on the turn... and since a standard raise puts them all-in, I'm shoving.

Making abnormally small bets is a potential huge leak (see the blog that I put up later today, from my casino tourney and especially the cash game hand that I played afterwards).

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Sun Sep 28, 2014, 12:47 PM
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The same thing on the turn... and since a standard raise puts them all-in, I'm shoving.


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Is it really necessary to make raise on the turn if we have nuts already? After all, we no longer need to protect our hand against anything. And we can potentially invite our opponent to bluff on the river.

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if you limped you went to the pot 7 or 8 ways and din't really want that
This is actually what you want. If you hold a medium/small pocket pair, or a suited connector, you want to play the pot multi-way.
 
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Sun Sep 28, 2014, 12:54 PM
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Yeah I knew I got the preflop raise slightly out.

On a single suited flop would you still be betting to price out a flush draw as there is a chance it has already been made at this point. To be honest my raise was more of a test raise as having played on this table with this villian for a while I knew if he had hit the flush he would have re raised me.

His bet on the was a pot sized bet so in this instance I should have raised at least to 1.95 or as you say shoved would this not have pushed him off the pot at a point when I knew I had it won and was looking to get max value from it?

As it turned out I can see your point because if the river had been anything but a 10 or club he would not have paid off the last bet.

Still trying to get my head round the intricacies and logic behind bet sizing and equity, seems the more I learn the more I realise I don't actually have a clue lol.
 
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Sun Sep 28, 2014, 01:02 PM
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I want all of my bets to be standard ones, as this helps to conceal the strength of my hand. I'd shove turn here with 2 pair, full house, flush... anything that I want to bet.

When players make non-standard bets, these throw up red flags to observant players that will be taking notes on how you play a hand and when they pick up on something, they WILL exploit it later.

A smaller than normal bet here with a full house will be noted by anyone watching that is observant and you won't get paid off on your big hands when you do this in the future against them.

P.S. We don't have the nuts. There are higher full houses possible and also quads.

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Sun Sep 28, 2014, 01:15 PM
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But... we do have the nuts. We know he doesn't hold pocket aces. Quads? Super rare. Even though there are two possible stronger hands, we are sure our opponent has neither of them. Truth is, if he has something like KQ with the king of clubs, he never calls our turn shove.

Matter of semantics, I guess.
 
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Sun Sep 28, 2014, 01:59 PM
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ADWish,

Why would going to the flop multiway medium/small pocket pair, or a suited connector be better than heads up??
 
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Sun Sep 28, 2014, 02:02 PM
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ADWish,

Why would going to the flop multiway medium/small pocket pair, or a suited connector be better than heads up??
Better pot odds.


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