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10nl zoom : Problem extracting value OTR - Sun Sep 28, 2014, 11:43 AM
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Hey guys,

Another day another problem
Slowly I try to understand and put in practice value extracting with made hands. And the following hand came up.
BB is 17/17 3b 0 (13 hands) 2 opportunities.
PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: $10.00
SB: $10.05
BB: $24.50
Hero (UTG): $10.00
MP: $10.00
CO: $10.15

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 9 9

Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.85, 2 players) 4 3 9
BB bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.25, 2 players) 2
BB bets $2.07, Hero calls $2.07

River: ($8.39, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero bets $5.83 and is all-in, fold, fold

Obviously I am lost on the river as to where is value going to come from.
First of all calling a 3b with 99's in position against a deep stack seemed a good idea for set mine and implied odds.
For the whole hand, since he is doing the betting I see no reason to go over board, but now, in retrospect, I think shoving turn as re-raise would've been much better.
At the time of the hand I was coin-fliping between a tiny river bet or shove.

Would very much appreciate your opinions, as always.

Thanks and regards,
Shoim
 
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Sun Sep 28, 2014, 06:28 PM
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Hi shoim,

With implied odds, keep in mind his deep stack is not in play here, you are the effective stack with 100bb.

Since he's 3B out of the BB position vs an UTG open, when he had an option to just call and see a flop, I would expect his range to be strong here. So I favor raising directly on the flop with 2 hearts out, as overpairs may feel like they have to "protect their hand" from the flush draw. Calling seems better to me on a rainbow board since it's harder for them to put us on a draw (or hold a draw themselves) and go nuts.

As played, all in on the river is perfect. If he's checking an overpair it's with the intention to induce bluffs from busted flush draws, and his plan is to call.




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Mon Sep 29, 2014, 05:54 AM
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Hey Dave,

Thanks.
The bet on the flop should be sized in order to prepare a turn shove ?
That is one question, and the other is : if I decide to re-raise the flop, wouldn't AK fold there ?
His check/fold on the river leads me to believe he hasn't started this hand with a big pair, rather AJs+.
Regards,
Shoim
 
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Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:06 AM
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Hey Dave,

Thanks.
The bet on the flop should be sized in order to prepare a turn shove ?
That is one question, and the other is : if I decide to re-raise the flop, wouldn't AK fold there ?
His check/fold on the river leads me to believe he hasn't started this hand with a big pair, rather AJs+.
Regards,
Shoim
The bet on the flop should be sized to encourage action, so a small raise does this while helping grow the pot. AK might peel and overpairs might re-raise. Draws very well might bet/3b and we get them all in otf. If AK folds to a flop raise it's not a big deal, it's going to be good for you on your bluffs and semi-bluffs. AK, particularly with 1 heart, should not fold to a single raise. And then there's also the times to consider where he's got a hand like JJ which might reraise because of the draw, but get scared if overcards hit and slow down.

I am also doubtful he check/folded a big pair on the river. But it's possible he decided you wouldn't bluff your whole stack, or he had the nut flush draw and gave up because he missed.


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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 03:02 AM
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I think it's fine to either raise the flop or call the flop with top set here. I think I like calling a bit better here because if he has an overpair there aren't that many bad cards that can come. He's probably not folding even if the flush comes in. If he's bluffing here or has AK you want to give him the chance to catch up or continue bluffing. The key important factor in slowplaying and calling the flop is that you are in position. Having position, you don't have to worry about him getting a free card on the turn because if he checks you can bet yourself if you decide to.

As played on the river, I would shove all-in here. You only have about half pot bet here so you can't really bet less here. If you bet less here you are just going to make less money when you do get paid off in the long run. Might as well go for the maximum. It's likely he just had nothing an was trying to bluff you on the flop and turn because most people would never fold the river here with an overpair as the flush draw on the flop still missed.
 

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