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Beginner here... Played KK on BB pretty badly - Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:52 AM
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Okay, so this is my first post here and I'm just starting to play poker for money. Micro Stakes. Decides to go to a SNG STT $1.10 buy in.

Played pretty tight, but I think I may not have been aggressive enough here. before and after the flop. I may be completely wrong though. Any advice? Should I have raised more pre flop to scare off a small pair or was raising 9xbb a good call with bad luck/play after the flop being what beat me?

I know it's pretty basic stuff probably for most of you, but I am still learning, so any help would be great!

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...203_CB343D7760
 
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Tue Sep 30, 2014, 03:56 AM
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Hey Malky,

Welcome to Pokerschoolonline. First, before the flop I think you played it aggressive enough. A standard raize is 3x BB + 1BB for every limper. Which means that your pre-flop raise is something between 350 and 400. However, if players a really loose, I might make it a little bit more (e.g. 450).

On the flop, I would just continue showing the agression of your pre-flop play. We don't want to give away a free card to the other 2 players, so I would just go all-in here (instead of checking). When player 4 hits a set is unfortunate, but that's part of the game. The fact that player 4 is calling such a re-raise with 66s pre-flop says more about him than you.

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Tue Sep 30, 2014, 07:29 AM
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Actually the standaard raise is 3BB + 1BB per limper + 1BB for being out of position, so 450 is perfect

You are the preflop aggresor (the one that did the final aggressive action), that means there is nothing wierd about betting when the flop comes and the only bet that make sence here is to shove. The pot is way too big to make a smaller bet.

If you are not the preflop aggressor, I would normally check and let the aggressor make his cbet.

The fact that player4 has you beat is of no importance. This happens. He would make the same call with a lot of other hands you do beat, so 66 is just one of the few hands that kills you.
As 95nix said, 66 is pretty weak to call a squeeze with as he didnt had the odds to setmine
 
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Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:41 AM
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Hi Malky!

Preflop with KK in the BB, I'm going to make a standard raise, which is to 3BB+1BB for each limper, so I will raise to 350. (rk, the adding an extra BB for being OOP is more of a cash game strategy, not tourney, where I need to think about chip preservation too ).
I want to keep all of my bets standard, as this helps to conceal the strength of my hand. Players that bet more with better hands and less with marginal ones are basically turning their cards face-up to an observant opponent... something that I need to avoid.

I see a 3-way flop with multiple draws available. I absolutely cannot check here. I need to make a standard value bet. Bets postflop need to be sized based on the size of the pot, number of opps and board texture. With 2 opps in the pot, a standard bet is 2/3 pot, so I will bet 967. If I bet less than this or check, I'm potentially giving the opps the correct odds to try to outdraw me. If I do so and end up losing the hand, it's my own fault that I lose.
BUT.. this bet creates a problem for me, as it's over 1/3 of my remaining chips. This means that if I make this bet, I'm pot-committed and cannot fold later in the hand. Due to this, I need to shove the flop!

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:47 PM
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Tue Sep 30, 2014, 04:49 PM
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Awesome feedback and explanation guys!

I kinda thought the mistake was not making the first move post flop, as the pre-flop aggressor, and how aggressive to be. I got a lot more detail in the thought process as to why that would have been the correct move to make. Knowing the "why" behind it is what I'm hoping will help me in future situations. Maybe I'll have a look other people's hands in the forum to learn a bit more.

Again, thanks a lot for your input. Much appreciated!

Jamie
 
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Tue Sep 30, 2014, 05:03 PM
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Hi Malky!

Preflop with KK in the BB, I'm going to make a standard raise, which is to 3BB+1BB for each limper, so I will raise to 350. (rk, the adding an extra BB for being OOP is more of a cash game strategy, not tourney, where I need to think about chip preservation too ).
oops... I should learn to shut up in tourney hands
 
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Tue Sep 30, 2014, 05:07 PM
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Jamie,

HERE is a link to a blog that I wrote on bet sizes. I think it'll help.

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Tue Sep 30, 2014, 05:09 PM
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oops... I should learn to shut up in tourney hands
We're all here to learn to be better players.... or at least should be. Keep putting your 2 cents in... it's how we learn.

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