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Pokerstars Player Meetings - Thu Oct 02, 2014, 08:46 AM
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Hi All,

I am going to the Isle of Man in less than two weeks now, to represent PSO at the Pokerstars Player Meetings. It's a chance to let Pokerstars know what we as players think, and have some input into their future plans. I promised to give everyone the opportunity to put forward views and points I should be pushing at the meetings, so here is the thread to do so.

(Mods: I hope this is the best forum for this topic. Please feel free to move it if it fits better somewhere else)

I've been following these forums closely and I realise it's a large diverse community we have here, so to represent all the different viewpoints is a challenging task. Please be constructive, and where possible, specific. I can't promise to follow up on every point made, but I'd love to hear what the main issues are that you would like put to Pokerstars.

Here are some thoughts for starters:

Obviously for us UK players, the VIP Bonus changes to accommodate the new UK Tax situation are an important concern, and I'll be arguing for Pokerstars to eat as much of the tax burden as possible, when they make the adjustments. I also hope the removal of auto top-up will be reversed or a work-around set up as soon as possible.

The sudden freezing out of players in multiple countries is another obvious concern, and not just to those in the affected countries, as the whole international player pool suddenly seems a much less stable entity. Could it not have been handled better? Might they be allowed back any time soon? To what if any extent are these changes driven by Pokerstars' push to get back into the US market? Lots of complex questions here, and I can imagine answers being hard to get, but I'd like to see more transparency on Pokerstars' strategy and policy.

It seems to have gone quiet on the subject of seating problems in ring games. Have the anti-'ratholing' changes worked out? Any anomalies in rake levels that want ironing out?

The new V7 Pokerstars client software seems to have been very well received, despite one or two teething troubles.

What do people think of the new variant games like Spin and Go? It just adds extra variance in my opinion, and I suspect the novelty will soon wear off. Any other game types that you would like to see? Personally I miss the little microstake regular tourneys with added prizemoney that seem to have disappeared. Would you prefer more and deeper stacked regular speed tournaments or more novel turbo variants? How about the rise of Zoom tournaments - good thing?

I'm sure there are a lot more questions and opinions out there on PSO. Like I said, I can't promise to follow up everything, but it would be great to hear what topics are closest to PSO members' hearts.
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 08:59 AM
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Ask for more women-only tournaments.
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 09:16 AM
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Hello All,

Let's support mytton as a representative for our school, and for you as a player, at these meetings.

Please only post in this thread if you have something constructive to add to the discussion.

@mytton Thank you from all the team at PSO for taking time out to do this, we're lucky to have you as a rep and we wish you a safe and enjoyable trip to the Isle of Man.

My question for the meeting would be:

Q. Are there any guarantees that PokerStars.com will remain poker only or could the .com platform be hosting casino games in the future?

Cheers,
Raiser


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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 10:14 AM
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mytton,

I know that there's a players committee that will be there, so all those points you brought up are the same that will be brought up by others.
I thought you were selected to represent PSO, so shouldn't the questions be about PSO?

Such as:
- more freedom of speech in the forum
- will there be changes in the leagues to make it better
- Is there any plans to add more training for all games offered by PS
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandtrap777 View Post
mytton,

I know that there's a players committee that will be there, so all those points you brought up are the same that will be brought up by others.
I thought you were selected to represent PSO, so shouldn't the questions be about PSO?

Such as:
- more freedom of speech in the forum
- will there be changes in the leagues to make it better
- Is there any plans to add more training for all games offered by PS

what trap said.....hiccup
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 11:23 AM
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I think the general purpose of the meetings is about pokerstars, rather than PSO, so it's definitely wider than this site. That said, PSO should be part of that overall poker sphere.

I think a lot of work has already gone on for the auto-rebuy regulation, Richas on 2+2 has done a lot of good work and reported progress there.

There's only so much these meetings can achieve unfortunately, and it's not a lot, but I do feel like there is a middle ground of players who are kind of missed by promotions and VIP incentives. I've no interest in flippaments aimed at recreationals, I'm not aiming to hit supernova/elite either, so what incentives are there for a middle of the pack player to aim for (other than personal ambition)? I hit my 5000 VPP Stellar reward and cumulatively at that point had $100 rakeback. The next reward after that is a full 5000 points again for $50.

It may be that the rewards are already unfairly skewed towards the bottom given contribution made, but I would still like to know if they consider this a problem, if so, do they know how to address it?
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 11:31 AM
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I think the general purpose of the meetings is about pokerstars, rather than PSO, so it's definitely wider than this site. That said, PSO should be part of that overall poker sphere.
Absolutely 100% agree with bhoylegend here.

By all means feel free to bring up topics related to PokerSchoolOnline, however mytton is there as a PokerStars player first and foremost. He is not there soley to talk about PSO no more than the players selected from 2+2 are traveling over to talk about how 2+2 is being run.

PokerSchoolOnline will get a very small percentage, if any, of the discussion time at these meetings.

The purpose of the meetings are to discuss with the player base about the direction that PokerStars will work towards in the near future and beyond.

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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 11:38 AM
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I think the general purpose of the meetings is about pokerstars, rather than PSO, so it's definitely wider than this site. That said, PSO should be part of that overall poker sphere.
Yes the meeting is about PokerStars, but he's there to represent PSO and what goes on at PSO. All the rest is already taken care by the players committee (most are from 2+2) and will be brought up by them with suggestions.

If he's going to talk about anything else than PSO, than this will end up being fruitless for PokerSchoolOnline
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 11:42 AM
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.............no more than the players selected from 2+2 are traveling over to talk about how 2+2 is being run.

PokerSchoolOnline will get a very small percentage, if any, of the discussion time at these meetings.

Raiser
Never said that about 2+2
PSO is a very small % and he should be there to change that % by bringing up specific points related to PSO

Just my 2 cents
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 11:55 AM
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Yes the meeting is about PokerStars, but he's there to represent PSO and what goes on at PSO. All the rest is already taken care by the players committee (most are from 2+2) and will be brought up by them with suggestions.

If he's going to talk about anything else than PSO, than this will end up being fruitless for PokerSchoolOnline
The ad said they only wanted someone from the UK/Ireland but I dare say the concerns of all members of the site will be welcomed despite the clear inference that UK/Ireland issues are what Pokerstars are looking input on. As PSO is wider than just UK/Ireland the exclusion of the ROW wouldn't make sense otherwise.

I've no idea what I can say without being infracted for it but I fear PSO is a low priority for Stars. The reduction in service is clear, from recordings no longer being made and only chrome stars and above being allowed access to analysers etc.
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 12:18 PM
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Hi All,

I am going to the Isle of Man in less than two weeks now, to represent PSO at the Pokerstars Player Meetings.

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PokerSchoolOnline will get a very small percentage, if any, of the discussion time at these meetings.

Raiser

So are you, or aren't you? Because it's quite obvious that Raiser doesn't think you are.

I hope you enjoy the experience and look forward to reading your feedback. Be careful about creating unrealistic expectations in here though. You know how quick we are to have a moan.
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 12:24 PM
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So are you, or aren't you? Because it's quite obvious that Raiser doesn't think you are.
I don't see the contradiction between what Mytton said and what Paul said.

Mytton is going as the representative from PSO, the members here (Indirectly but the same can be said of 2+2) elected him, but he is going as a poker player who plays on Pokerstars to bring up issues that affect all poker players.

There will be representatives from numerous forums, it just so happens that this one is part of the Rational Group, but they are all going to discuss poker, not the forums they got elected, just the views of those forums on the poker ecosystem etc.
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 01:28 PM
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It's obviously important to set realistic expectations when approaching meetings of this sort. As Raiser said, the meetings are for PokerStars to discuss their offerings and future plans with a cross-section of players. My understanding is that I am there to represent the community of PokerStars players here at PSO, and not just to discuss PSO issues. Yes, we would love to see PSO better funded, with more live training, more videos etc, and I will be sure to let PokerStars know that, and how valuable PSO is to us, but we also interract with PokerStars directly, and that is the relationship that the meetings will be largely about.

I tend to think of the PSO community as sitting somewhere between the casual recreational players at whom many promotions are targetted, and the mostly higher stakes grinders who frequent 2+2. That's the group of players I feel I can represent.

Sandtrap - I can certainly put forward views about specific PSO issues, though I'm not sure I will be talking to anyone with direct involvement with day-to-day PSO affairs. Your point about training in all the different games offered by PokerStars seems a very strong one. Reform of the Skill Leagues may be overdue, but it's a bit of a minefield isn't it, with so many wildly differing opinions on how to fix it.

Raiser - Thanks for your kind words. I will be looking for answers on the subject of casino games on the .com platform.

Bhoylegend - I'm closing in on the 5000VPP bonus myself, so I know exactly what you mean. The rewards do rather fizzle out for those of us for whom Supernova is a distant dream. Dare I say it, maybe now is the time for some redistribution of the rewards. The cynic in me wonders if Pokerstars may be tempted to do some massaging of these numbers anyway, for UK players at least, as a way of obscuring the reductions due to the tax burden.

Darkman61 - So true about expectations. Perhaps from now on I should not say "representing PSO" but "representing the PokerStars players who frequent PSO", or perhaps "trying to represent the PokerStars players who frequent PSO".
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 01:36 PM
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I don't see the contradiction between what Mytton said and what Paul said.

Mytton is going as the representative from PSO, the members here (Indirectly but the same can be said of 2+2) elected him, but he is going as a poker player who plays on Pokerstars to bring up issues that affect all poker players.

There will be representatives from numerous forums, it just so happens that this one is part of the Rational Group, but they are all going to discuss poker, not the forums they got elected, just the views of those forums on the poker ecosystem etc.
This is completely my understanding too, well put Bhoy.

We need to help mytton by telling him what things re pokerstars we want answered, to find out more, suggestions etc. However, some of these things may be PSO-related. There should be feedback about the leagues and PSO promotions if people have it imo.
mytton is not going to talk about aspects of the PSO community like the forum that should be dealt with here not on Isle of Pokerstars.
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 01:54 PM
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Hi you seem to have a lot covered Mytton in yoru original post so well done......if time is a constraint maybe though you should prioritise your questions so then at least the main important things get an answer

Dont go into the meeting all gung-ho(doubt you will anyways) but also dont go in defeatist as Pokerstars wouldnt have invited you if they already had their minds made up on certain topics and for them to be the biggest and remain the biggest one thing they are are thorough and flexible

One thing I would like to see is a Female pro trainer for live training,i dont have a particular person in mind but I think it would be a positve move and beneficial

Also I feel Full Tilt could be changed a lot so that it brings in bigger revenue for Pokerstars which then some of this would hopefully filter backdown to Pokerstas/PSO as I think it does currently
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 02:43 PM
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I would like a couple of things already mentioned: info on the blocking of countries, and some sort of security that it won't happen to others. I also like rolo's idea of a female live trainer.
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 02:48 PM
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Don't like SPIN & GO not the way to go, just a small step away from SPIN n ALL-IN every hand other sites have gone down bolt on Casino / sportsbook route = empty tables Poker Stars are better than that.
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 08:33 PM
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"representing the PokerStars players who frequent PSO"
Oh, I see ... so a whine about the change to the 24hr edit button might be a bit too small potatoes

That's great that there'll be a chance to discuss all the changes that have been happening, with the new UK/Ireland tax, and the recent withdrawal from the 'grey markets' of the Middle East and Asia. Guess if there's any inside info about what might be happening with Canada, that'd be great to hear more about ...

Is it 'grey', or is it 'gray'?

Anyways ...
 
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Tue Oct 07, 2014, 12:33 PM
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Please emphasize the need to attract and retain more newcomers to the micros, by offering more frequent - and better value - reload bonuses, and by rebalancing the rewards scheme. (i.e. Cut the rewards to SNEs, increase them for bronze-goldstars, or even add a lower tier for micro-recreationals).

This one is pointless because they apparently aren't interested in the long-term, but please ask them to stop introducing high variance/luckbox games and rake-traps that will eventually lead to a collapse of online poker. Some of us aren't interested in flippaments, sports betting or degenerate gambling.

Also, more transparency is probably required on the game integrity front. Players need reassuring that the RNG is legit, cheats (including bots) are caught quickly, and the victims of cheats are refunded fairly. i.e. Stars should say something like "Yes, we have a small problem with cheating. This is what we're doing about it ("Look at our amazing bot-detection technology"). This is the list of people we banned last year and here's how much cash we refunded to victims."

If you could press them for evidence of declining winrates at various games and stakes that would be cool too, because a lot of players are worried about some games becoming effectively unbeatable. I'm afraid I won't believe the games are "healthy" unless it can be shown that around 30% of players of every format are making money pre-rakeback. If Zoom PLO, for example, has few winners and a ton of breakeven grinders, the game is doomed. If Stars can't see that and address that (by cutting rake, ldo), then Stars is doomed too.

There's a load of other stuff too, but I'm already ranting a bit.

Try not to have high expectations. Just use it as a learning exercise. It should be an interesting trip. Have fun and good luck!

P.S. Ask for more women.


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Wed Oct 15, 2014, 06:49 PM
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Probably too late but if not here are my 3 cents:

1. If I compare some reg speed MTTs across sites a Pokerstars $109 charges higher rake than an IPoker €75 or Party Poker $100. Why should the most expensive of 3 options charge more?

2. As a UK player I wont be able to play on Pokerstars.fr next month, so I will miss "special" daily rebuys, progressive super knockouts, 6max and a late night hyper. Why doesn't Stars.com have other daily MTTs bar Bigs, Hots, Omania in red? Also their Sunday Deepstack, Progressive Superknockout, re-entry would all be new for .com Sundays.

3. No doubt Spin and Goes are popular and are well advertised at least here in the UK, are there any plans to use their popularity to bring any new players into other games. At the moment we have spin and go missions, how about more added value like play X Spin and Goes get a ticket for something not spin and go. Any plans for spin and go satellites or fpp spin and goes etc.

Have fun on the Isle of Pokerstars.
 

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