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Tournament in the SB - Thu Oct 02, 2014, 10:37 AM
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I know I will get told not to limp but this was a strange table with a lot of limpers but they stuck with any preflop raise. I had only played one hand upto this point, so decided rightly or wrongly to make the 1/2 BB call to see the flop.

After the flop I am OOP with 4 ops still to act and a flop that gives me top pair and OESD. I was at a loss what to do here as it was quiet possible one of the ops could alreay hold the straight.

I checked, it went round and a bet of 40 was made into a pot of 100 the 2 ops before me called the bet I also called and the op following me called so 5 ways to the turn.

Based on the previous betting I decided no one held the straight.

Turn was 5d in my opinion this probably helped no one but added a flush draw to the board. Decided to bet out, I know this was an incorrect sized bet I got it wrong and it probably should have been a pot sized bet with 4 OP's.

Two OP's folded and other two called.

River gave me the straight although anyone holding a ace had me beat, I decided I couldn't risk it checking round if I had the best hand so made a bet of 400 into a 780, OP's folded so was this bet too high.

Not sure I would have changed the pre flop play as it was either a 1/2 BB bet or fold with this hand, a raise would have made to large a pot to play with this hand.

Would really appreciate advice on the way I played post flop though as I was a little lost as to how best to approach it.

 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 11:03 AM
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Hi Webbo62!

You're wrong.. I don't mind the limp here because I'm not open-limping.. I'm limping a hand with potential behind a number of players.

However, when I flop top pair and an OESD, I absolutely need to make a standard lead bet on the flop. With 4 opps in the pot, a standard bet is a pot-sized bet, so I will bet 100. I don't want to bet less or I'm giving the opps with draws to beat me, the correct odds to do so. If I do this and lose the hand, it's totally on me for making a bad play.

The same thing on the turn. I need to make a standard bet and with 4 opps, it's a pot-sized bet. I cannot bet less here. By doing so, the opps get the right odds and I deserve to and will lose chips on average.

On the river, I've got the bottom end of the straight, where Ax has the top end. I need to check here and try to get to showdown, as with 4 other opps that were in the hand, one most likely has an ace and due to this, I do not want to bet.
A smaller than standard bet here is a HUGE tell for a marginal hand (2 pair or a 9) and something that I absolutely need to avoid.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 11:16 AM
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Thanks for that,

Yeah was really at a loss on the flop as being out of position with a board that could have hit anyones range.

I also realised when looking at the hand afterwards that I had got the bet sizing wrong, I still struggle to find the time to assess everything and then make a decision in the time allowed,as a result I know I make errors on the bet sizing even when I know the correct rules for it. Hopefully I will get better at analsing the postion faster and be able to get the right bet in.

Also had a feeling I got the river bet wrong, only hands that would call that are straights and maybe two pair any any straight to ace had me beat.
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 11:19 AM
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What would you normally do on a table where there are multiple limpers that are very sticky, I know its an easy answer if you have a monster.

But if you are late position or in the blinds knowing that a raise will bloat the pot with no garantee that the hand will hit.
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 11:24 AM
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Another question, if you raised on the flop would you then fold to any reraise that you got a re raise from behind?
 
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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 11:32 AM
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Having to lead a flop like this is why being OOP is such a huge disadvantage. We have to do it and we're not sure if we're ahead or behind.
If I'm going to check a flop like this.. then I shouldn't be in the hand to begin with and need to muck preflop.

When calling a raise out of the blinds, I need to be ready to lead just about ANY flop.... whether I hit or not. If I'm not willing to do this, then I need to raise or fold preflop.

With regard to a flop re-raise.. I'm basically never raising the flop.. I'm leading. if I did get raised, then I need to see if I have the odds to continue. If the raise gives me the correct pot odds, I'll call. If not, I need to fold.

If I'm on a table of serial limpers, then I'm playing more hands IN position and raising with the overwhelming majority of them. I will limp a small % behind, but I will continue to raise and punish the limpers. If I'm in position, then I've got the advantage, so having the pot be larger due to standard raises isn't a problem. Bloating the pot OOP, is what I want to avoid.

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Thu Oct 02, 2014, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Webbo62 View Post
What would you normally do on a table where there are multiple limpers that are very sticky, I know its an easy answer if you have a monster.

But if you are late position or in the blinds knowing that a raise will bloat the pot with no garantee that the hand will hit.
I'm limping behind a lot with hands with good potential, particularly if the opponents are sticky. When you do hit, some of those sticky opponents will pay you off. I do play them very carefully post flop, don't forget that all the opponents are playing wide ranges too.

 

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