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Why would someone go all in here? - Tue Oct 07, 2014, 04:58 AM
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Not sure I could have done anything different here, not even sure I did anything wrong. Just don't understand why someone would go all in on this flop with absolutely nothing only to win it with the turn and river.

Could I or should I have played this different?


 
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Tue Oct 07, 2014, 06:17 AM
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Hey Webbo62,

Probably because he is a huge fish lol. Because you lost to runner runner, doesn't mean you played the hand wrong. Calling pre-flop is fine. The bet on the flop is also okay. With 4 opponents you want to protect your hand against flush draws etc. However, we don't want to chase away hands like QK, QJ, so I would probably make the bet size around 2/3 of the pot.


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Tue Oct 07, 2014, 06:19 AM
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That's an absolute shocker of a call from Villain_1.

You were a 90% favourite.

Even if you had a pair of 4s with a 2 kicker and no chance of a flush you'd be a 68% favourite. He'd just barely have the odds to call (at 30% of pot, 32% equity). Against a hand that's not made like TJs he'd have 17% equity. Horrible play.
 
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Tue Oct 07, 2014, 06:37 AM
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Thanks guys, I was trying to make the flop bet about 75% but waqs a bit over I always find my self short of time when trying to size the bet as I always assess the flop first then decide what my options are. So need to work on that side of my game for sure as I think my bet sizing post flop is often wrong.

The onl;y good thing about it was that my stack size was healthy enough to not affect my tournament but it was still a bad pot to lose.
 
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Tue Oct 07, 2014, 10:37 AM
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Hi Webbo62!

As long as this is NOT a league game....

If this was me in the blind with AQ, I'd rather 3-bet preflop than call. If I call, I'm going to basically be forced to lead almost any flop, which I'd rather not do against multiple opps. With this many players in the hand, a standard 3-bet sizing is a pot-sized raise and this bet basically now pot-commits me.. so I'M ALL IN!

For the bets, I have my bet buttons set at 50%, 66%, 75%... that way you don't have to try to calculate it in your head quickly each time.

John (JWK24)

P.S. Don't try to figure out what a player that is NOT thinking.. is thinking... because they're not.


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Tue Oct 07, 2014, 11:09 AM
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Thanks for that tip JWK was watching Felix Schneiders grinding it up challenge and was wondering how he got buttons with % written on them then with your tip above I decided to investigate how to do it and found them so thanks again.

Do you use different buttons pre flop to post flop?
 
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Tue Oct 07, 2014, 11:35 AM
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I have my buttons set at....

2.2X 2.5X 3X 4X for preflop

50% 66% 75% pot for post-flop


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Tue Oct 07, 2014, 03:27 PM
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If you think that was bad, take a look at this hand.
This was in yesterdays Open League at level 3'
The player who won, had played every hand pre flop, either raising or calling raises in every position.
I have seen similar in every level and type of game I have played, even the PSO Home Games are not immune. lol



PokerStars Hand #122704037254: Tournament #977561404, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level III (40/80) - 2014/10/06 17:23:53 ET
Table '977561404 713' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: SteveS1000 (3960 in chips)
Seat 2: Bill Curran (6720 in chips)
Seat 3: isaev.83 (1450 in chips)
Seat 4: spartaksonj (9434 in chips)
Seat 5: johnnie_1818 (1730 in chips)
Seat 6: MaxVaughn (4850 in chips)
Seat 7: dealmeeida (1100 in chips)
Seat 8: PAWELAUGUSTO (7650 in chips)
Seat 9: POSITIV 1974 (6600 in chips)
isaev.83: posts small blind 40
spartaksonj: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bill Curran [Qc 4h]
johnnie_1818: folds
MaxVaughn: raises 160 to 240
dealmeeida: raises 860 to 1100 and is all-in
PAWELAUGUSTO: folds
POSITIV 1974: folds
SteveS1000: folds
Bill Curran: folds
isaev.83: folds
spartaksonj: calls 1020
MaxVaughn: calls 860
*** FLOP *** [3d 2s Jh]
spartaksonj: checks
MaxVaughn: bets 3750 and is all-in
spartaksonj: calls 3750
*** TURN *** [3d 2s Jh] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [3d 2s Jh 5d] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
spartaksonj: shows [4s 6d] (a straight, Three to Seven)
MaxVaughn: shows [Ac Jc] (a pair of Jacks)
spartaksonj collected 7500 from side pot
dealmeeida: shows [Ks Ah] (high card Ace)
spartaksonj collected 3340 from main pot
MaxVaughn finished the tournament in 3820th place
dealmeeida finished the tournament in 3821st place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10840 Main pot 3340. Side pot 7500. | Rake 0
Board [3d 2s Jh 5d 7c]
Seat 1: SteveS1000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Bill Curran (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: isaev.83 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: spartaksonj (big blind) showed [4s 6d] and won (10840) with a straight, Three to Seven
Seat 5: johnnie_1818 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MaxVaughn showed [Ac Jc] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 7: dealmeeida showed [Ks Ah] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 8: PAWELAUGUSTO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: POSITIV 1974 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 
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Tue Oct 07, 2014, 04:49 PM
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Unbelievable. Whatever you say of him, you can't say he's not loyal to his cards.
 
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Tue Oct 07, 2014, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JWK24 View Post
Hi Webbo62!

As long as this is NOT a league game....

If this was me in the blind with AQ, I'd rather 3-bet preflop than call. If I call, I'm going to basically be forced to lead almost any flop, which I'd rather not do against multiple opps. With this many players in the hand, a standard 3-bet sizing is a pot-sized raise and this bet basically now pot-commits me.. so I'M ALL IN!

For the bets, I have my bet buttons set at 50%, 66%, 75%... that way you don't have to try to calculate it in your head quickly each time.

John (JWK24)

P.S. Don't try to figure out what a player that is NOT thinking.. is thinking... because they're not.
Hey JWK,

I might be wrong, but is a shove with 45BB pre-flop not too big? Even when you raise to like 3000 and somebody calls, you still have more than 30BB left. Moreover, the initial raise is from early position (UTG+1), so he could easily have a big hand, right? (depends on the info about the player of course). I don't like to flip with this amount of BB, or worse: facing AK


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Tue Oct 07, 2014, 05:25 PM
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If 1/3 of my remaining chips go into the pot (std raise basically does this).. it pot-commits me and I should then not fold later in the hand. If I can't fold, all my chips need to go in then.

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