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getting value - Wed Oct 15, 2014, 06:38 PM
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Pre is a easy call. setmining 66 from btn all day.

Flop great, dry board, aggresor bets... what do I do?

If I raise, my hand looks superstrong, people will fold almost anything except 99+, 44 and maybe AK. Those are hands that I want to target because those are the ones that give me value (excl 99 ofc). All other hands have no value anyway.

If I flatcall, I might get multiple streets of value and since this is a dry board, I dont really need protection so flatting looks nice in hindside...

What do you guys do in situations like this?

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...941_C5F01058D1
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014, 05:22 AM
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Seems like an obvious call rather than raise IMO.

If he's making a standard c-bet he will fold to a raise, you're getting no value. But maybe he gets a piece of the turn and tries a second barrel. If he has a decent hand that you can get value from he'll probably be leading the turn, so in position it seems perfect to let the pre-flop aggressor bet into you.

You're in a way ahead/way behind scenario where not many holdings can improve to beating you, but a turn card will help improve their hand somewhat and get further bets.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014, 05:32 AM
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I think raising is fine to be honest.

Do we know if he is barrel happy? If he is then I don't mind calling flop instead of raising. If he has a tight opening range then I favour raising now. I wouldn't bank on him being able to get away from JJ+ but there are scare cards to that range when an ace hits. We do have position and can make sure there are no free streets but I think raising flop is a very minor error if an error at all.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014, 06:15 AM
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Thanks. So prob both options are kinda equal and very dependend on how villain reacts...

From what I remember, I had him tagged as regular but I had no stats as my HUD didn't work last night
(update from Pokerstars client may have messed that up, dunno).
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014, 06:53 AM
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Interesting point about the overpairs that probably aren't improving (or are improving to win the hand). Have to get them to commit now.

Perhaps I put too much emphasis on the AK, AQ, AJ type hands that can improve with a turn card, when the number that can hit one particular card are such a small part of the overall range.

So will depend a lot on the villain I guess as to whether he will have another attempt at the pot.
 
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Thu Oct 16, 2014, 09:56 AM
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Hey rk!

I like the raise here, but think the sizing is too big. I'd have made it in the 95 cent to $1.05 range.

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Thu Oct 16, 2014, 10:49 AM
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Good point JWK... why did I make it this big ?... 2.2 x is more standaard
 

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