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AKo from button $2 NL zoom - Fri Aug 11, 2017, 10:21 PM
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here i c-bet, check turn . then opponent bet on river, i fold.
I think , sometimes i am getting exploited when i check turn( shown weakness) and villain donk bet on river.

most time i fold . few times i called when villain is low stacked(i think in micro level short stacked players like to bluff more) and see that they were betting with A+ hand etc.
I play in zoom table, many times i face new opponents and do not have any read about them.

how do i counter this?

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Sat Aug 12, 2017, 11:02 AM
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I doubt there many 2NL players that are looking to exploit you when you're one and done, because they will generally be playing according to their own hand strength. That said, the bet flop, check turn line is pretty weak sauce, and is best used for spots where you have some better showdown value, such that you'll be able to call on the river at a decent frequency. (e.g. If you chose to bet Q9 on this flop, you might check back the turn). If you end up folding on the river "too often", it's often because your flop c-betting frequency is too high and/or your turn barreling frequency is too low.

The actual situation in this hand is a pretty tricky though. There are arguments for checking back the flop with this combo, as the backdoor flush draw and 2 overs means you don't mind seeing a turn. C-betting is also fine if you keep it small, but I think your range as a whole prefers betting big on this kind of board, but mostly with hands that have front-door draws (e.g. the flush draw or a gutshot like 65s) or multiple backdoors (like 98ss) or are genuine value hands (QQ/77/33, AA/KK, KQ+). AK is neither an "obvious" value-bet or a bluff. If you do bet it, you can obviously barrel on an ace, king, jack, ten or diamond. You probably need to barrel on some of the blanker turn cards too, but checking back on this 4 (which completes the rainbow) probably won't be a huge mistake. Just make sure you barrel anything that has 4 outs or more but very little showdown value.
On the river, there's nothing you can do except fold. Villain often has 65s, Qx, or a slowplayed set. He can have some missed FDs, but since you block some of those with the Ad, he's mostly betting for value. I think he has you beat as much as 85% of the time here. If you have any Qx that you pot-controlled on the turn, you can snap-call those. You probably need to call with 9x sometimes against more aggro players. The runout is probably better for villain's range than yours, so it's OK to fold a lot on this river. If it had come an overcard or a diamond, you'll have many more hands to call with, such that you can't be "exploited".


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Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:15 PM
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on turn if there is any diamond or a face card (j, 10, A, K , Q) i would bet again. But with 4 i would like to check. if opponent bets on turn i am going to fold this hand.. my logic if i lost this pot , i would like minimize my loss here.
 
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Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:16 PM
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on turn if there is any diamond or a face card (j, 10, A, K , Q) i would bet again. But with 4 i would like to check. if opponent bets on turn i am going to fold this hand.. my logic if i lost this pot , i would like minimize my loss here.
 
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Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:34 PM
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I check the flop and am done with the hand.
 
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Sat Aug 12, 2017, 02:56 PM
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I generally prefer to check the flop here with the back door nut flush draw. As played folding to the river bet is fine.

Some ways to counter this pattern are:

-Check back the flop more
-Barrel some turn blanks more
-Check back the turn (after c-betting flop) with hands you automatically will plan to call a river bet with. Arty's example of Qx is a good one. Check back some of your weaker queens on either the flop or turn allows you to call future aggression down and prevents villains from blindly running you over when you check.


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Sat Aug 12, 2017, 02:59 PM
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But with 4 i would like to check. if opponent bets on turn i am going to fold this hand..
If the villain suddenly leads out into you on the turn, I think folding is a fine option. Many players get confused by this line because it's so foreign in general (check/call flop, lead turn), but really you have many better hands in your range to call a turn lead with, all your top pair+ combos for example. So just fold the AK high is fine in this case imo.


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Sun Aug 13, 2017, 03:31 PM
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on turn if there is any diamond or a face card (j, 10, A, K , Q) i would bet again. But with 4 i would like to check. if opponent bets on turn i am going to fold this hand.. my logic if i lost this pot , i would like minimize my loss here.
That's fine. Just make sure you don't bet too many low equity hands on the flop, because then you will end up having to fold on a later street. If you're likely to fold on a later street, it's often better to check back and give up immediately, such that you lose the absolute minimum. At least with this AK combo, you did have several turns you could barrel, but didn't hit one of them this time around.

e.g. On this board, something like T8cc or A2o has so little going for it that I'd check back the flop and only put money in on the turn or river if I picked up some equity. I don't want to put money in the pot when there are almost no good turn cards for me. AKcc might have been a decent checkback too, since it has nothing on the flop, but it's still a decent hand and would like to improve for free, but definitely doesn't want to get x-raised and have to fold.


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