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Light or value - Sat Aug 12, 2017, 11:20 PM
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Here goes another tricky question like the last one, now we will see two different hands where the hero 3-bets and we need to tell if the 3-bet is "value" or "light "

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So... 3-betting when we don't even have the odds to give a lucrative call by the rule of "call 20"? i think this is a bad 3-bet but that is not what the question is asking in the end, when the hero 3-bets here IMO it is light, because... what he gonna do if the UTG 4-bets him? call? shove? probably fold, so i think this is the deffinition of a 3-bet light isn't it? (correct me if i am wrong)

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Here we have an opening raise from the CO who has 15 BBs and the hero 3-bets really hard, the opening range of the CO in that scenario is very wide, so the ATo plays well against it, I think we have a great fold equity here but what the hero do when the CO shoves his last 10 blinds on him? I think this is a call, leaving us with a value 3-bet.

So my Answer is Light / Value
 
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Sun Aug 13, 2017, 05:30 AM
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I'd fold both hands.

Re-raising a UTG raise with two sixes is lightning chips on fire. And because CO has only 15-ish BBs his opening range should be, if anything, rather tight.

Also, the AT 3-bet is not for value. We neither have a made hand or a hand that plays well post-flop. We're basically praying for a fold (which we're not gonna get ).
 
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Sun Aug 13, 2017, 07:26 AM
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What do you think is the opening range from the CO in this scenario friend?
 
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Sun Aug 13, 2017, 11:11 AM
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I'm calling the first one (3-betting is an option... but not the best option). It's not for value, as we're seriously behind the opp's range, but we do have the right odds to setmine).

The 2nd one IS for value and like the play. We can 3-bet bluff out of the blinds, but here we actually have a hand. We do not want to call with ATo OOP, but it's a good hand to 3-bet with.

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Sun Aug 13, 2017, 12:25 PM
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What do you think is the opening range from the CO in this scenario friend?
It could be something like 77+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+. Our equity against this range is only 44% or so.
 
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Sun Aug 13, 2017, 01:31 PM
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It could be something like 77+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+. Our equity against this range is only 44% or so.
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way, way, way too tight from the cutoff. all pairs, broadways (suited/unsuited), aces (suited and unsuited), suited connectors and suited 1-gaps are in play.

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Honestly, that's even tight for MP2.. let alone cutoff.


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Sun Aug 13, 2017, 04:21 PM
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Both of these hands are light 3-bets. They don't dominate much/anything that calls, and when you make these plays you're shouting "Please fold! Please fold!" so they clearly aren't value-raises.

I suppose the AT has more of a value-component than the 66, as you can get flatted by hands like A5s, KQs etc, but it's not a value-raise. You don't want to play for stacks.


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