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Totaly Inappropriate Comments - Sat Dec 21, 2002, 11:27 PM
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I think it's terrible to comment on a hand during the play of the hand!

Just heard Freddieboy say "Tom has to call - it's only $16k"

Of course, tom probably knew that - nevertheless, still an inappropriate coment.

If I were still playing, I'd be really pi@@@ed!
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 02:27 AM
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If you were still playing, you shouldn't be listening.
 
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Oh?? - Sun Dec 22, 2002, 09:27 AM
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So you're saying - oh wise one - that they're blocking fancast transmissions to the IP addresses still active in the tournament?

- that those still playing can't listen in?

- ain't technology grand?
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 09:58 AM
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I have to agree with Blind Bat. If I had been in that hand, I would have lodged a protest. 8O There is always the possibility that a player is bluffing, and urging his opponent to call is a definite NO-NO!! It is common sense that you DO NOT COMMENT on the play of a hand while the hand is still in play.

That very thing happened to me recently in our home game. I was in a big pot with second pair, head's up. The other player was about to lay down his ragged ace, when he said to himself..."How bad is my kicker beat?" He was moving his cards towards the muck, when the player next to him said "I don't think your kicker's beat." And the player said "No?" and looked at his cards again and called, winning the pot. I was enraged and almost threw the guy out of my house. I COULD NOT believe he had done that. It is just not right! :!:

I might add, involving that same player the following week: My husband called him on the river and then mucked his cards...and the guy retrieved them out of the muck and looked at them!! 8O STRIKE TWO....!!!!! :x
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 10:37 AM
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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 10:55 AM
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i agree with hazey
 
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Re: Oh?? - Sun Dec 22, 2002, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Blind Bat 07
So you're saying - oh wise one - that they're blocking fancast transmissions to the IP addresses still active in the tournament?

- that those still playing can't listen in?

- ain't technology grand?
Doh. Can you not read or are you just a dumb f*ck.
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 12:06 PM
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Noodles why don't u just have a minute?
your posts are becoming a little too vitriolic.
I have learned a lot about big bet poker from your posts but little about manners.
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 12:40 PM
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RioRita and BlindBat:

Hazy has put this probably more eloquently and succienctly then I can, but I must respond here to your comments/concerns:

Our job as "announcers/analysts" in our broadcasts is to provide play-by-play commentary, analyze events as they happen, elucidate the situations, and entertain the audience. We try to do all of this. Sometimes we are successful, sometimes we are not. But what we are not doing is giving advice to someone who is playing: during the hand or otherwise.

The interaction between technology watching an event and the participants in the event using that technology in the event, has been going on in major sports in the USA for over 3 decades now. NFL teams have TVs in their coaching boxes that their coaches watch, just as you do on Sunday afternoon. They are hearing and seeing the "exact" same thing you do. Major League Baseball has TVs in the dugouts, tuned to their game. NBA TV and radio announcers are close enough to the coaches that the coaches can hear their commentary as the game is going on. This is the way it is.

But let me be absolutely clear about the distinction between RioRita's "other player/kicker" comment and what we do: In RioRita's game, one player actually gave another player in the game "advice". This could be construed as collusion, although in a friendly home game I would think not. We do not give players "advice". We may say what the "proper" thing to do is (in our opinion) to our audience, or analyze what the player must have to do what actions. When one of us said "Tom has to call - it's only $16k", this was our opinion given to the audience. This is all geared toward our audience.

Let me take a moment to also address another issue around our broadcast opinions. If I see great play, I'm going to call it such. If I see "bad" play, I'm going to call it such. Although we broadcast the PSO tourneys, we are not paid by PSO and we do this of our own time and money. If we disagree with something PSO is doing, we say it. If you've listened to our broadcast before, you've heard me criticize PSO. If I think player "x" played terribly, I'm going to say he was a donkey. There were two or three plays last night at the final table that were unconscionably bad, IMO. And I said so. I will continue to do this. Because my belief is that I should be honest, and say (IMO) that "a spade is a spade". If this type of broadcasting is not ok with you, then maybe our show isn't for you. We hope that's not the case.
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 01:12 PM
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Noodles why don't u just have a minute?
your posts are becoming a little too vitriolic.
I know. Does anyone really care? I don't.

I did think for a few minutes before writing it, but then decided the evidence was too overwhelming.

I will respond like for like. Do you think Blind bats post, and I quote:
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So you're saying - oh wise one -
showed me any respect whatsoever? No. neither did I, so F*ck him.

I am happy that some of my posts have helped you. However, rest assured, the days of me trying to help people on this forum have gone. Maybe that's a good thing for a lot of people. I don't give a shit.
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 01:23 PM
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u taking your ball home then noodles?
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 01:33 PM
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Noodles, I cannot make my mind up about you, I think that is probably how you like it.

at times......

You are an idiot, you are wise, you are charming, you are rude

(although you're always wrong about pot commited )


On the subject of comments at the table.......

TomHawk made some very very clever plays towards the end, which seemed to go un-noticed, he took some stick.
When it was clear that Rita was waiting for scarz to blind out..a couple of times Tom helped scarz win, thus decreasing Rita's stack even more, so that when it was heads up, she had 50K instead of 250K, he folded his BB once instead of checking, when scarz was all in..giving scarz a chance to beat Rita........then, he bet with jack high, pushing Rita out and again letting scarz win.........also, when he got lucky v Freddie, he took full advantage of it, working the stack very well......and the call wasn't terrible.......who was it that said...'when heads up ignore the top card' his jacks may well have been good, a lot of money in the pot means a lot of stealing.

also, what is all this slut business? it appears bloody rude, if it's some 'in' joke then please explain

CLAY
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 01:51 PM
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noodles is blunt very often but sometimes you need to be to get a point accross.
noodles takes alot of stick from a few members for trying to teach the basics of poker and to be honest i too have sometimes thought about contributing to the forum(no great loss in my case) but if noodles was to stop PSO would lose alot of its BIG BET lessons i would not be 10% of the player i am today (still along way to go before i am any good) without what i have read from noodles posts(alot of which hae been lost for ever)

noodles i hope you reconsider and continue with your posting i for one would miss them and as i am self centered and here for myself at the expence of other(cant win $$$$ without taking it off others) i dont think the views of a few people that want to knock you for making your points matter(to me anyway)

also remember that some of these people dont get BRITISH HUMOUR so maybe cutting out the jokes or putting in more of these silly face will help improve your image but as rolf stated in his forum image aint that important
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 01:57 PM
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Play-by-Play commentary is one thing. Giving advice on how a hand should be played while the hand is still active is another. I don't think the show would suffer if an analysis was offered just after the hand completed. Critique all you want once the hand is dead.

Commenting about a hand in play is not allowed at any casino I know of. And it shouldn't be allowed albeit by internet radio, chat, etc.

Love the show - but wait the 29 seconds until the play is made to comment.
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 02:05 PM
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oil doe said:
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Play-by-Play commentary is one thing. Giving advice on how a hand should be played while the hand is still active is another.
I was very, very clear on our perspective on this, and will repeat it:
Bruno said:
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We do not give players "advice". We may say what the "proper" thing to do is (in our opinion) to our audience, or analyze what the player must have to do what actions. When one of us said "Tom has to call - it's only $16k", this was our opinion given to the audience. This is all geared toward our audience.
Oil doe said:
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I don't think the show would suffer if an analysis was offered just after the hand completed.
We appreciate your input and understand your perspective but, we think that analysis as the event occurs is a better way to go.

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Commenting about a hand in play is not allowed at any casino I know of. And it shouldn't be allowed albeit by internet radio, chat, etc.
Beg to differ. Railbird commentary is constant during a final table of a big event. Sometimes the participants hear it, sometimes they don't. One thing they do do, is ignore it.

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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 02:11 PM
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Ironside, it appears that myself and Fidget made comments about Noodles....and we are both British......so maybe it's a case of, see how far I can stretch the respect people have for me here........it's an ego/self doubt type thing I think.

Of course it could be a Helmuth wannabe thing.........great player/bad attitude



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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 02:38 PM
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Bruno,
I read your carefully worded post - but I also heard the show. When you say "He's got to call here" thats advice in my book. Just logging in my opinion. I love the show and the format - I'm one of your biggest fans. But I think in the heat of the moment, commentators have to be aware of the fine line between analysis and advice during a live hand.

oil doe
 
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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 02:40 PM
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Sun Dec 22, 2002, 03:06 PM
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I read your carefully worded post - but I also heard the show. When you say "He's got to call here" thats advice in my book. Just logging in my opinion.
It's the players choice whether to tune into the show or not. If they don't want to hear 'advice' on the hands whilst playing, then they can choose not to.
 
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noodles/comments - Sun Dec 22, 2002, 03:26 PM
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To: Noodles From: Big.Ben

I'm still just a rookie but I value your posts!!!!

Dig in your heels and show us your bulldog spirit.

:twisted:

:wink:

 

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