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weak NLHE play - Sun Dec 29, 2002, 02:27 PM
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all too often i see players calling a pot size raise from SB or BB then on the flop making a single bet for everyone to fold
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first i dont understand the single bet into a large pot and 2nd how can anyone call or raise the pot then fold to a single bet?


yes there is a player here than has gotten good results here in the school by playing weak NLHE and good luck to him but for 99% of people this style of play is totally wrong

can anyone explain to me why more and more people (some people that used to play solid NLHE) are changing to this style of poker?
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2002, 02:39 PM
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I made a post about this several months back on the old forum. You often see this little bet as a weak bluff (Brunson refers to it as a "post oak bluff" in S/S) sometimes its a draw bet from a monster hand. Either play, IMO, is a terrible one. The sad thing though is to see it work. It doesn't if I'm in the hand. Regardless of my holding, in most situations, I'll reraise. If its a bluff, the reraise puts pressure on the others in the pot (and a reraise is always intimidating) and back on the weak bluffer. If its a draw bet, then he'll likely show his colors right there or on the next st. and I can get away from the hand easily.

Reraise those bets to steal pots, ironside, and you'll learn to love em.

--Greagar
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2002, 02:56 PM
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Because it appears to work against the general standard of opposition at PSO. Probably due to most being beginners with no understanding of big-bet. To these people, a bet is a bet regardless of it's size.

The number of times I have seen a certain player bet the minimum all the way to the river, where their opponent then folds to another small bet. It just wouldn't be successful anywhere other than PSO.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2002, 02:59 PM
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oh i do reraise them

i also love it when a late postion raises a single bet after i have checked then reraise them so often they call (so they dont look weak yeah right the call is weaker than a fold in this postion) and then i fire at the pot on the turn (when they fold).


this to me is much weaker play than calling with rags
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2002, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodles
Because it appears to work against the general standard of opposition at PSO. Probably due to most being beginners with no understanding of big-bet. To these people, a bet is a bet regardless of it's size.

The number of times I have seen a certain player bet the minimum all the way to the river, where their opponent then folds to another small bet. It just wouldn't be successful anywhere other than PSO.
online freerolls are worse nooldes for example WPO round 2 blinds 50/100 i saw UTG raise 100 2utg raise 100 button raise 100 i am in bb and raise pot and all call flop comes blank i check button raises i reraise he calls another blank on turn i am all in holding 6 high with no help on board and he folds.


tnt freeroll 15$ preize pool NLHE 4 raises all for the minimium preflop and 7 players see the flop.

i cant imagine such weak play in a casino but online it seems to be the normal
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2002, 05:42 PM
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Sun Dec 29, 2002, 05:53 PM
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Sun Dec 29, 2002, 06:20 PM
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There was a post a month ago or so about asking for a big bet lesson. I as a very new player have no Idea about this concept. Infact today I busted out of a tourney due to bad betting. I had nut straight on the turn and made pot sized bet 2k, player called caught boat on river. I feel I should have bet all in on turn. So back to subject. I have no concept of the appropriate bet and think it would be good subject for an instructor to do a lesson.
 
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Mon Dec 30, 2002, 10:55 AM
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hazy stop ganging up on the alien and stop dishing out valuable advice
if i have an alien at my table i like to be the one who benefits i am half alien myself (so some think)
on the odd occasion when an alien bets the pot on the flop from the sb on a ragged board they actually do have 2 pair!
 
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Mon Dec 30, 2002, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ironside
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Originally Posted by Noodles
Because it appears to work against the general standard of opposition at PSO. Probably due to most being beginners with no understanding of big-bet. To these people, a bet is a bet regardless of it's size.

The number of times I have seen a certain player bet the minimum all the way to the river, where their opponent then folds to another small bet. It just wouldn't be successful anywhere other than PSO.
online freerolls are worse nooldes for example WPO round 2 blinds 50/100 i saw UTG raise 100 2utg raise 100 button raise 100 i am in bb and raise pot and all call flop comes blank i check button raises i reraise he calls another blank on turn i am all in holding 6 high with no help on board and he folds.


tnt freeroll 15$ preize pool NLHE 4 raises all for the minimium preflop and 7 players see the flop.

i cant imagine such weak play in a casino but online it seems to be the normal
I wasn't taking about freerolls.
 
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Mon Dec 30, 2002, 11:37 AM
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Poombah wrote:

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There was a post a month ago or so about asking for a big bet lesson. I as a very new player have no Idea about this concept. Infact today I busted out of a tourney due to bad betting. I had nut straight on the turn and made pot sized bet 2k, player called caught boat on river. I feel I should have bet all in on turn. So back to subject. I have no concept of the appropriate bet
Go all in. So many players will call this with top two pair, that it is a very profitable play. Make them pay the max to suck out on yah...


Randy
 
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Mon Dec 30, 2002, 11:37 AM
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I have used the weak play to trap where there is a table with a couple of over aggressive players behind me with deep money.

I'll set-up a marginal pot raise hand early in the tournament (low cost) (Asuited, KQ, low pair) where most of the time I'll get a call from the aggressive player that will pay for the flop no matter what.

I'll get a min bet on the flop and he/she will make a pot raise or big overbet and I'll fold unless I hit a perfect flop. Next time, similar situation premium hand, same set-up. Pot raise pre-flop, min bet on the flop, he/she will over overbet or commit his chips post flop and I'll reraise or call his all in bet. Most of the time, I'll catch him/her with their fingers in the cookie jar and double up. However, it's a risky play as the player might have caught a great flop or draw out on you but most of the time I'll be going in with the best hand.

As I typed before, this is only a profitable play under the right table dynamics. I am right now working on my game to set up future plays as PSO and B&M players are getting more sophisticated. In other words showing a pattern of play one time and counting on their "read" to do what you wanted to do the next time.

The problem is that I sometimes get so far ahead of myself that I run out of chips. :P


CH
 

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